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Res

April 16th, 2007, 06:29 PM

Oh geez, sorry to hear about this Teepee. Here's the odd thing, what I "thought" gave me food poisoning might not be what really did. No one at work got sick except for me and I coulda sworn it was a casserole left out with cheese and sour cream that did it.

I don't do throwing up so when I was sick all day Saturday I blamed the am breakfast. Now Teepee is describing similar symptoms and a girl at work (different department) said she lost 8 lbs over the weekend with it coming out both ends. I don't doubt her for a second. I wonder if is WAS some sort of flu - thing. The ER room on the phone said my symptoms sounded like food poisoning but they wanted me to come in and I mean, really.... when it's coming out both ends and it's unpredictible who's going to "drive on over"? :o

So Teepee I'm so glad Kathy was here to help you and point you in the right direction. :) I hope you feel better soon. Rest as much as you can because it will help.

Heck yes soda water. ;)

Regarding the Rosemary crackers. Kathy I wish I would've read your comment about the Rosemary BEFORE I made mine. The crackers taste bitter (is that the rosemary?) and the RM is rather overpowering. They turned out great as far as looks go and of course I'm going to eat them no matter what but honestly, they don't taste good at all. :(

TeePee

April 16th, 2007, 06:43 PM

Thanks Res,

I am trying to rest as much as possible. Can't really move much with back out anyway. Soo much work to do. I slept all day. I NEED to sleep tonight to get in to work tomorrow. State testing!!!!

It is mostly just this constant underlying nauseous feeling that is like being on the edge of barfing. It would fee better maybe, to just get it out. But, my God, I don't think my back could handle the heaving right now. If I move the wrong way even that is a problem. I am trying so hard to keep "natural" through this.

I guess, since there is fever involved (now 100.2) that means this isn't just "detoxing"?

mtmouse

April 16th, 2007, 06:45 PM

Heck yes soda water. ;)

Regarding the Rosemary crackers. Kathy I wish I would've read your comment about the Rosemary BEFORE I made mine. The crackers taste bitter (is that the rosemary?) and the RM is rather overpowering. They turned out great as far as looks go and of course I'm going to eat them no matter what but honestly, they don't taste good at all. :(

Hey, three raw foodies can't be wrong! :D

My crackers have never tasted bitter, Res. But when I read "1/4 cup rosemary" the first time I went to make them, I just couldn't do it. They had a pretty strong flavor even with the approximately 2 Tbsp I used, so I've never put more in.

But probably by the time you're done eating your batch, you'll love 'em just the way they are! :p

mtmouse

April 16th, 2007, 07:38 PM

Res,

I was just looking at the rosemary cracker recipe again, and realized I always use almonds. Sometimes sunflower seeds can be bitter--do you think that could have been it?

Res

April 16th, 2007, 07:59 PM

Res

April 16th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Teepee: The temperature sounds suspicious. Last time I tried to be a tough guy I lasted 6 days on the cleanse and ended up out of work for a grand total of 10 days. It was flu - absolutely flu.

Oooh so sorry about the "sick to the stomach" feeling - I had that ALL DAY on Saturday and it IS the worst feeling. You should start feeling better pretty soon so hang in there. :) *hug*

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

April 16th, 2007, 09:01 PM

Hmm, well, when you made your batch - was it foamy? Like whipped egg whites when you smeared the batter all over the sheets? I'm certain that if it called for "sunflower seeds" I used em (newbie here :confused: ) lol. Next time I'll try it with the almonds. OH and by the way - I almost burned out my Vitamix!! Well, not really exactly but it shut down because I poured the entire mess into the Vitamix and it was WAY too much for it to handle. Even when I moved to the food processor I had to do it in batches and that's not even to the part yet where you add it all together! For that I just mixed it in by hand.

Oh yeah next newbie question: how do you store them? :o

Yeah, I think whenever you process soaked flaxseeds, you do get kind of a foamy thing. I'll let you know for sure tomorrow when I plan to make another batch.

Oh wow, you almost burned out the Vitamix with just the flaxseeds and sunflower seeds? My goodness. I have an 11-cup Cuisinart, and that always works fine for that step. Then I take that pate out and process the rest of the veggies.

Oh, and I never use golden flax. It's just money! (And looks, but my rosemary crackers with brown flax are gorgeous!)

I might even use less rosemary. I like to keep things underspiced rather than overspiced, so I prefer to start light and then build up if I want to later.

I store them in the fridge because of the flax (which goes rancid very, very fast). However, my flaxseeds seem to stay pretty much whole, so maybe I'm being overcautious. Then again, once they're soaked they're probably vulnerable again. How's that for a straight answer. Straight answer: I store mine in the fridge, LOL.

GeneK

April 17th, 2007, 05:05 PM

I did not break my fast correctly I guess, I went to solid food too fast, according to the experts. I have not suffered through any indigestion, nausea, or constipation however. Just following my "gut" instinct on the food I was needing...

I am also still losing weight post fast, down to 210 from 212 last day of fast.

Sticking to 1500 calories a day for now.....

Getting more and more exercise, with I think is the key to getting the most out of this fast. The more you can do while fasting the better the flush.

I hate taking my probiotics though, they float and are very hard to swallow, being the size of horse pills....

While eating more raw food I have no fantasies about living on raw food totally, its just not possible for me.

TeePee

April 17th, 2007, 05:21 PM

Hi,

Feeling a little better today. Still sticking to the bananas peppermint tea, and water. Also had apples juiced with ginger. Starting to feel "hungry". Stayed home and rested today. Definitely had to be the flu. Temp went up to 102 last night, but back down now. Thanks for all the support!!!

mtmouse

April 17th, 2007, 05:25 PM

Glad things are going better, TeePee! Hope you're back to your old self really soon!

:)

sweetnadine

April 19th, 2007, 06:49 AM

Just following my "gut" instinct on the food I was needing...

I am also still losing weight post fast, down to 210 from 212 last day of fast.

Sticking to 1500 calories a day for now.....

While eating more raw food I have no fantasies about living on raw food totally, its just not possible for me.

GeneK

You don't have to commit to a total raw food diet. In fact, this is a REALLY drastic step for us because we've lived our lives on cooked food. Just start with a committment to getting more live foods into your diet. Check out info on the Halleujah Diet, http://www.hacres.com. Started by a man who was diagnosed with colon cancer in 1974 and changed his diet to live food rather than using conventional treatment (chemo, radiation). Today. he is a healthy, cancer-free, 72(?) year-old who maintains a 80% raw and 20% cooked diet.

I'm going to try to eat raw in the day and have cooked food in the evening.

I know a raw foodist who HAD to add cooked food to her diet because she found that she was losing TOO much weight on 100% raw. :eek: What an enviable position to be in!!

Cheers,
Nadine

skinnyminnie

April 19th, 2007, 12:26 PM

Heh all! Skinnyminnie here ~ and believe me I'm LOVIN that name now! Glad I picked it!

I have question that I need a QUICK answer to. Finished my cleanse on April 2nd, then three days of breaking fast and still haven't had a chance to get the Probiotics! Is it absolutely necessary and if so, is it too late to start now, almost a month later? I'm having no problems, feel great and am eating very well - alot of raw and Salmon, sweet potatoes, veggies, etc. Have kept the weight off and am still looking to lose more. Weighed in at 146 BEFORE the cleanse and now weigh 134 ~ however have been eating some bread and need to stop or the weight will be back. Also having cravings for sweets. Don't have a dehydrator and can't spend that kind of money now ~ any ideas for quick sweets readily available?

Thanks MTMOUSE for all your encouragement and answers! You ALL have been great and I'm learning so much!

Love to all
skinnyminnie

mtmouse

April 19th, 2007, 12:50 PM

Hey skinnieminnie!

I don't think it's ever too late to do the probiotics. On the other hand, I didn't take any probiotics after my first cleanse at all, though I did eat some yogurt. So basically, I think you'll be fine without, and it's not a bad idea to get some and take them for a couple of weeks just to be sure. Can't hurt to get those good guys in there!

Here's a site with lots of raw recipes, including many desserts. Some call for dehydrating, but really you could just eat them with a spoon if you wanted! :)

http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/

Sim

April 20th, 2007, 09:08 AM

Hi Skinnyminnie!

As a confirmed sweets eater, I know what it's like to crave them and not know what to do...the sweetest thing I've found that really satisfies the need is medjool dates! They're really sweet, somewhat mushy, and after two, you just don't want any more sweets! Try it and see if it works for you.
And congratulations on losing weight....way to go! :D

Sim

April 20th, 2007, 09:33 AM

Hi Everyone!
I'm back, after a little vacation in DC, which was inundated with water, just like the rest of the East Coast. I've missed you all and after reading all the posts, I'm so impressed by how smart you all are! Going raw takes a little bit of nerve and a lot of desire, although not willpower. That's because once you start doing it, it just seems to work and you feel so good. The only time it's really a challenge is when you're out with non-raw friends. Mmmm...the pizzas and the roasted whatevers sure look good, but think really hard about what you're putting into your body and what others are putting in. I prefer to stay away from diabetes and heart disease. I wonder if there are any studies about those diseases in raw folks? Anyway, I'm glad everyone is well or recovering.

TeePee Omigosh! You sound like you've been through the wringer! Poor kid....recovery may be slow but maybe you can make yourself feel better by thinking about how much more weight you've lost in the last week! ;) I'm so sorry you've been sick...I hate throwing up more than anything in the world and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, especially you :)

Res and MtMouse You two are a stitch with your challenge...you're right! After doing the MC, raw is a breeze, you'll see. But you already know that I'm a little crazy about this stuff. I knew that if I even had a little cooked food, I'd never do all raw, so I'm 100% right from the start. I wouldn't recommend that for everyone because I think most people would say "the heck with it" after just a few meals. Lately, I'm not dehydrating anything except fruit...I've found that I go nuts with onion bread and crackers around and I'm just as good if I make a really hefty Not Tuna (Cornbleet's is my current favorite, not skinny Matt's) roll, on untoasted nori, with a little sweet white miso spread first, then the Not Tuna, then avocado and sprouts. One chubby roll and I'm done for a few hours. I'm not kidding. Lately, it's salads and whole fruit and the new berries. I guess I'm tired of all the chopping and dicing for awhile, but I'm not tired of feeling great. My husband and I were in DC and I swear, I ate almonds, dried apricots, strawberries, apples, bananas and mangos while I was there. Not much else. AND IT DIDN'T BOTHER ME. I find this amazingly weird but it's almost as if when I was eating SAD, one thing, one taste led to another. Sweet/salty/spicy...crunchy/smoothe/hard/soft....you all know what I mean. And there was no end to it, just wanted to keep eating and finding new taste "sensations." Now, it's like the foods are just nourishing me and they're so fresh and clean-feeling that I don't want to go backwards. I won't say "never"...who knows what might happen...I'm going to Ireland for two weeks on a hiking trip and I have no idea what I'll find in the way of raw...maybe I'll have to eat some cooked to keep from starving....I don't know. I won't beat myself up if that happens because as I read right here: we don't have to be perfect. Just know that whatever percent raw you're doing, it's better than no percent!

Okey doke...just wanted to check in with you all and tell you I love you and miss you. Keep the dehydrators on and keep up the friendships we've all seemed to form. What a beautiful group of people you all are. :)

skinnyminnie

April 20th, 2007, 12:31 PM

Thank you MTMOUSE and SIM for your advice! I'll maybe order them today or tomorrow. I'm heading home next week (the Big Apple) to visit family. Hope it warms up up there! I'm so used to this beautiful Florida weather!
So, I'll talk to you all later ~ probably wont' be writing till I get back on the 30th of April! YIKES! Where are the months going? Talk to ya later!

Ginger

April 20th, 2007, 06:42 PM

Sim - you're very inspiring. I'm traveling to Phlly next week for a few days. Now, I'll see if I can stay mostly raw. In June I'm going to Grand Turks and August is Curacao. I expect I'll eat some cooked food ther, but hope to at least stay vegan.

TeePee

April 20th, 2007, 10:21 PM

Ginger,

I'm jealous!!!

Res

April 20th, 2007, 10:38 PM

Sim: Welcome Back!! Oooh, Ireland now I'm envious. :)

Yeah funny thing about what you said regarding eating: since the start of the challenge, I've noticed that I'm not "so hungry" anymore. I'm certain it's because I'm feeding myself the right things so it's not craving the wrong things. That doesn't stop me from eating though! It's been fun to do something so different and find that I really enjoy it. I can't say I'm feeling better than ever but that's not the RAW foods fault it's the food poisoning's fault. Most likely in another week I'll feel great.

The cool thing is I don't feel stressed or anxious about food like I normally do. I can go out with my family and eat a salad with a few of my own things to take along. It's just SO NICE to be doing this Challenge and Kathy is a hoot to do this with. :)

"on untoasted nori, with a little sweet white miso spread first, then the Not Tuna, then avocado and sprouts."

YUM! That sounds so good! So, Nori? The sheets that you can pick up at the grocery store? What is white miso spread?!?!?!? :confused: I do LOVE Cornbleets Toona and maybe a bit more than the one posted here. Here's looks and tastes more like Tuna to me.

I'm so glad you're back for a while and that you checked in with us. :D We missed you.

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

April 21st, 2007, 12:44 AM

Res,

Actually, most nori that you get in the grocery store is toasted nori.

Not even all our health food stores carry untoasted nori, but my coop does. You'll have to hunt around for it.

Sim

April 21st, 2007, 09:46 AM

[QUOTE=Res]
Yeah funny thing about what you said regarding eating: since the start of the challenge, I've noticed that I'm not "so hungry" anymore. I'm certain it's because I'm feeding myself the right things so it's not craving the wrong things.

Hi Res! I'm sending you a big hug but my smilies aren't working for some reason.

I'm thinking it's not just that we're feeding ourselves the right things that makes us not quite as hungry...it's also the live content and the fact that raw foods have more water in them....do you notice less need to drink water? I do. Also, the body doesn't have to work so hard to digest, so there's no overspill "overtime" working of the digestive system. We digest and we're good to go...on cooked food, our bodies have to manufacture those enzymes to digest and sometimes it just kicks into overdrive and keeps the digesting going, even though there's no more cooked food to digest. So we start to crave more food for those poor enzymes that have been manufactured and have no more work to do...which leads to unnecessary eating. Ooooh, we're such interesting creatures!

I'm hoping the food poisoning is gone. Or if it was flu, that it's flown. :D Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Go challenge! You and Kathy are heroines!!!

Nori: yes! The sheet you pick up in the grocery. As for the untoasted nori, the brand I've found is Emerald Cove (like Ireland!!!!) in the green package (like Ireland!!!). Kathy's right: most of the stores have toasted (in the red package, not like Ireland!!!) but just ask your local store to order it. They should have no problem doing that.
The miso: it comes in a container, like soft margarine does, and you find it in the refrigerated section of your organic or health store. There are several kinds of miso, like sweet white, mellow white, red, brown...I've only used sweet white and it's so delicious. Technically, it isn't raw because it's fermented but the health benefits are so high that it's been deemed acceptable in a raw diet. (Kind of like raw organic honey; the debate goes on). Of course, if you listen to Gabriel Cousens, you can't have tamari or nama shoyu or even Bragg's. I say "make your own rules" after you do all your research and then enjoy life.

And here's no surprise: I've missed you all too :o

Res

April 21st, 2007, 11:04 AM

Kathy and Sim: Thanks for the heads up on the Nori. Most likely Whole Foods (my favorite store on the planet besides Home Depot and Best Buy ;)) probably has it.

Ooooh I love all the stuff you said Sim. Yes I have noticed that I'm drinking less water now that you mention it. It's funny because I gave a hearty "Drink More Water" someplace on the board recently because I realized I was drinking less and figured everyone else was too *chuckle*. Kind of like when you bundle up your children because *you're* cold. ;)

Fermented food: In Dr Mercola's book he sings the praises of fermented food but also mentions that most store bought (not all) heats the fermented food and destroys and deactivates important nutrients. However, he does give recipes for homemade fermented food - which is nice- his kraut recipe is great because you pack the cabbage in glass jars and then 3 days later store it in the fridge. Not like the old fashioned way that really stinks up the house. I make homemade pickles almost every year and they never make it to the fridge. My kids used to eat them straight out of the crock - and if I don't make a batch any given year? Oh you should see the long faces! lol

Kathy: What do you think about fermented food on the 30 Day Challenge?

The other day I had a dream about meat (I'm a meat eater folks, sorry) so since jerky technically isn't cooked I'm going to make beef jerky sometime this weekend. I don't know if I'm listening to my body or not but I'd rather have it there if I wanted it then to dive into a bucket of chicken. ;)

Sim the miso sounds lovely and I'm sure Whole Foods has that too. This is quite an education.

I hope everyone has a lovely day. I'll be back later. :)

Love,
~Res

Res

April 21st, 2007, 11:11 AM

Oops one more thing: I made the cranberry scones and although they're delicious I don't know if they're dehydrated enough. The recipe says drop "spoonfuls". Well, Tablespoonfuls? Teaspoonfuls? Cavemanspoonfuls? I need specifics!! :confused: They're not "gooey" in the middle but they're definitely MOIST.

My dog was pestering me for a taste so I gave her a piece (thinking I'd be cleaning it up off the floor in a minute) but NO! She wolfed it down and then bugged me for more! She's not an "I eat anything" dog either. The funny part was when she thought I had more and wasn't sharing (I was actually here typing) and she pushed at me! I pushed back and she pushed again! lol I laughed so hard at her persistence so from mine and my dogs point of view, the Cranberry Scones are http://www.kurts-smilies.de/up.gif

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

April 21st, 2007, 11:56 AM

Hey Res (and pooch!),

My brand of raw nori is Eden. Blue package! Probably like Ireland's waters! LOL.

As to fermented stuff, I don't see why that wouldn't be raw if it's raw. (Follow that? LOL) IOW, if you make it yourself, you know it's raw. But if it's in a sealed jar, it's probably been pasteurized to get it to last in there. If it's vacuum packed, it could be either way and I'd read the label and let it wait for another three weeks if it doesn't specify raw.

As to the scones, what's "dehydrated enough"? It's just a matter of more or less water, after all. If you like them moist, they're fine! Now, they may not keep very well out of the fridge if they aren't rock-hard, but I doubt you'd want to have them that way anyway. (And I doubt they'd last that long.) I'm going to make some today! For some reason I expected them to use sprouted wheat, so I sprouted some. But I just noticed that they don't call for a grain at all. So much the better! :)

But as I told someone else, this is RAW food we're eating! It doesn't HAVE to be dehydrated. You could eat the "batter" with a spoon if you wanted to. :D :D :D :D

Res

April 21st, 2007, 04:11 PM

And on that last note about "raw food - eating batter". Make sure you make the entire scone recipe! I just came home after being out for hours and I'm hungry! So while I'm waiting for the frozen red bell pepper to thaw for my marinara sauce I popped 3 scones into the dehydrater to warm and heated up water for tea. The scones disappeared (prior to the tea being done) and Ol Faithful Pooch just got a crumb. They're SO GOOD!! :D

I think I may make a batch of kraut today. Gonna check and see if I posted it in the Recipe box.

Let me know how your scones turn out. :)

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

April 21st, 2007, 04:24 PM

Ha!

I did indeed start making them today. When I got to the part about "flaxseed blended with water" I first put it in the food processor, since that was dirty from grating the apples. Well, of course, all it did was swish them around. So I transferred them to the blender. Same thing! Whoever wrote this recipe must have a Vitamix, LOL.

Anyway, I decided to put that in the fridge for my next batch of pizza dough, and I took out some flax meal and blended that with water, and soldiered on.

Only to discover that I didn't have any cranberries! LOLOL.

Luckily, DH was downtown, and I reached him on the cell phone, and they will both be home forthwith. At this rate my scones won't be warm until morning anyway! But I've already tasted the batter and I know they'll be good at any temperature, LOL.

Meanwhile, I had some of my new rosemary crackers (yum!) with some raw cheese (yum!) for lunch.

eurekam

April 21st, 2007, 06:34 PM

If raw food should be made with complrtely-raw ingredients, Miso and Shoyu are NOT raw. Not because they are fermented.
Miso is made from STEAMED soy beans and rice or wheat
Shoyu is made from STEAMED soy beans and TOASTED wheat.

Trust me, I'm from Miso & Shoyu land:) :) :)

mtmouse

April 21st, 2007, 06:46 PM

What about Bragg's? I just looked at my bottle, and I can't see anywhere that it says it's raw. However, it's distributed by "Live Food Products".

And now I just looked in Alissa Cohen's book, and she says that Bragg's and Nama Shoyu are both unheated.

mtmouse

April 21st, 2007, 06:55 PM

I just googled Nama Shoyu and learned that "nama" means raw, so I guess nama shoyu is in fact okay for a raw diet. At least, it's promoted and sold as such.

eurekam

April 21st, 2007, 07:44 PM

I just googled Nama Shoyu and learned that "nama" means raw, so I guess nama shoyu is in fact okay for a raw diet. At least, it's promoted and sold as such.

That's right. "nama" means raw in Japanese.
Regular Shoyu is heat-treated after pressed from fermented mixture(basically steamed soybeans, toasted and ground wheat, salt water and malted rice).
So Nama-Shoyu is not heat-treated, but its ingredients are heated.

Anyway, I think it's okay to use both in raw diet to add flavor. Noone use them as main ingredient, right? lol
And Miso is, for Japanese people, a great source of protein. That's why we have Miso soup every morning.

Ginger

April 21st, 2007, 07:49 PM

Going out for a night of karaoke with some friends. I had a lot of garlic today so I hope I don't kill 'em. I'm having major reoccurance of hot flashes today. I sure didn't miss THEM on the cleanse. I thought alcohol and caffeine were responsible. But, I haven't had any since I came off. So, I guess I go back to my BHRT therapy now. It's natural, so I'm not concerned about it. But I sure wish the cleanse had permanantly taken care of them.

They will all be drinking. I'm sticking to bottles water and lemon. Wish me luck!

I eliminated. YEAH!!!!

Sim

April 21st, 2007, 10:57 PM

Go Ginger!
Enjoy the "empty orchestra" and the water with lemon...you're terrific!

Miso: right! It's made from processed, not fermented I don't think, soy and that's why it's not technically raw. Same reason raw foodists don't eat tofu (it's steamed). But all this technical stuff can drive you crazy....when the raw people, like Matt Amsden and Jen Cornbleet and Alissa Cohen have nama shoyu or Bragg's in their recipes, I'm believing that it's fine to have those things. Dr. Gabriel Cousens does not use those things because he is a purist and although I tend to be an "all or nothing" kind of girl, I don't need to make myself THAT crazy.

Meat-eater Res~ Yay! A meat-eater who's not afraid to say so!!! The only reason I gave it up is because I'm convinced that although I love any kind of beef, chicken, fish, lamb...they don't love me back and since I spent the first half of my life enjoying [I]those[I]things, I can now spend the next half of my life remembering what they taste like but eating things that love me back so I can stop worrying about becoming a diabetic, heart disease-ridden old woman. (It's in my genes). Wow, that was an awful sentence!

I don't think nama shoyu or Bragg's will ever cause diabetes or heart disease!

And pickles and kraut and all those fermented things? Right! If they're made at home and aren't processed, they're officially raw. Enjoy! In fact, kraut is one of the recommended staples of raw. Nomi Shannon has a lot to say about that and some good recipes, too.

Off to dream about almond milk and raw pizza, rosemary crackers, onion bread and cranberry scones. In fact, I almost wish it were morning so I could have breakfast! Nighty-night all!

Ginger

April 22nd, 2007, 10:32 AM

i did enjoy it Sim, thanks

But they didn't have bottled water, and i wouldn't drink tap water. So I wound up with club soda. It tasted sweet to me. I didn't think they put sugar in there, but now I'm not sure.

My girlfriend brought a beautiful raspberry torte and chocolate chip cookies for everyone. I had the cookies sitting right in front of me and I wasn't even tempted. But when I saw that torte with a whipped cream cheese center, I thought about a little taste. BUT I DIDN'T!!!

I got up this morning and weighed. My low weight was 174, now I'm up to 177.5. I guess that's normal when one starts to eat, but I was hoping to continue to lose. Gotta cut back on those spicy almonds. I think I'm gonna start counting WW points this week to keep an eye on my intake.

For breakfast I took the celery, banana, date idea I saw, and added a handful of raisins, a little shredded coconut, and just a little of that thick almond milk from the vitamix. Deeelicious. I agree the celery is a great touch.

Res

April 22nd, 2007, 11:41 AM

Oh gosh, oh gosh I came here just to scan what you guys were saying cause I have to fly out the door and NOW I can't WAIT to get back and CHAT!!!! I haven't even visited the 30 day raw thread yet today....ARGH! I have to leave. :mad:

Love you all! :D
~Res

TeePee

April 22nd, 2007, 01:32 PM

:D Went to Pure Food and Wine yesterday on the spur of the moment. YUM YUM YUM YUM YUM. I had an ice cream sundae that should be illegal!!:D Sarma was there all night sitting outside. Heaven!!!

Res

April 22nd, 2007, 02:56 PM

Sim: Like you said, even though I'm doing the 30 Day Raw (and loving it by the way) I'm not going to go berserk if I eat Braggs or use a bit of the soy. The fact that I'm even doing this is such a big deal in the first place that it makes me happy as is. :)

Yup, I'm a meat eater. :D However, I prefer veggies and fruits. Since I don't eat that much meat - I buy the good stuff from Whole Foods and really enjoy it. The difference in meat from there and the grocery store is night and day.

I posted in the 30 day thread about the "lasagna" I made last night. WOWSERS! The only "down" part at all is that I can't heat it. So eating it cold is a bit weird but honestly I can get used to it. Especially after enjoying those Cranberry scones right out of the dehydrator. Yum.

Off to dream about almond milk and raw pizza, rosemary crackers, onion bread and cranberry scones. In fact, I almost wish it were morning so I could have breakfast!

Hahaha - I'm such a push-over. After reading your last line I grabbed a glass of almond milk and two scones. :D

laurel

April 23rd, 2007, 04:53 PM

Hi all, I'm new to the raw foods board, fresh off the Cleanse board. I'm on day 5 post-cleanse and so far so good. The first day was super rough (tummy ache all night long) but now I seem to be able to eat most fruits and veggies with no problem. The bad news is that I have the flu, thanks to my boyfriend who came back from out of town on the day before I broke the fast. I wish I had still been cleansing because I might have dodged the bullet, but I suspect that since my body was having a hard enough time dealing with the new foods I was giving it, my defenses were down.

Anyway, I am a big fan of raw garlic when I'm sick but I'm just wondering if it's too soon. I had some guacamole the other night with onions and garlic and it caused my tongue to have a really uncomfortable (and gross-looking) reaction. Normally I just chop up the garlic and swallow it with water, no chewing, but I'm worried that's more than my little stomach can handle right now. Thoughts?

vegelicious

April 23rd, 2007, 10:13 PM

I'm on day 8 of my first cleanse and I'm planning for my new diet. I'm wondering if I should buy a juicer, blender or both... any suggestions?

mtmouse

April 23rd, 2007, 11:03 PM

I personally would start with the blender. I don't juice much any more because I don't want to throw out the fiber. I much prefer smoothies, which use whole fruits and veggies.

If you want to eat all raw or almost all raw, and you have money, then a really powerful blender like the Vita-mix is a great way to go. However, if money is an object, then any ordinary blender will get you going and will probably be fine for quite a while.

You can then add in other things as you can afford them and as they appeal to your "style" at the time.

The next thing I'd add is a food processor, then a dehydrator.

Have fun! :)

happyhappyjoyjoy

April 23rd, 2007, 11:59 PM

Hey Everyone!

Lemme hear ya say.......
EMMMMM
AYEEEEEE
ESSSSSSS
TEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEE
ARRRRRREE CLEANSERS ARE COOLLL!

hehe thank you very much! HAPPY

Ginger

April 24th, 2007, 10:03 AM

Hey Everyone!

Lemme hear ya say.......
EMMMMM
AYEEEEEE
ESSSSSSS
TEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEE
ARRRRRREE CLEANSERS ARE COOLLL!

hehe thank you very much! HAPPY

HHJJ - I want some of whatever it is you having!!!

Getting ready to leave for a 4 day trip. I'm sitting here eating sosme of the sweetest watermelon I've ever tasted. We're going to Fallingwater to see the Frank Lloyd Wright House. Then we're headed for Philly. Neither my BF or I have ever been there. It surprises folks, because we're from the DC area. We're gonna do the tourist thing and see the King Tut exhibit. I am bringing a bunch of food and salad dressing with me. Raw cereal, fruits, pates, veggies, almond milk, tamari and a sharp knife!

I haven't actually started the challenge yet, because of a company dinner on the 28th. But, right after! At this point my last cooked food was before the cleanse.

I'll have my 'puter with me, but am not sure if I'll be able to log on. So I may not be back till the 28th.

Res

April 24th, 2007, 03:04 PM

HHJJ - I want some of whatever it is you having!!! hahaha

Laurel: You're talking to a *major garlic lover*. I'd bathe in it if I didn't have to worry about the social aspect. lol

Garlic is a natural anti-biotic. *I always get the date wrong* but back in 1964 there was an influenza epidemic in Russia. The U.S. shipped 500 metric tons of garlic to Russia and the flu was knocked out in 3 days. I did a huge presentation on this in college several years ago.

My kids were raised on raw chopped garlic (at least a whole medium clove per child) chased with gatorade when they were sick. As adults, it's the first thing they turn to when they feel it coming on. :D But *Listen to your Body*. :) I hope you feel better soon.

Kathy: Too much fun: :D I'm downing a bag of fresh sugar snap peas and heading over to TTDC (the 30 day challenge) getting really fed up typing it out. lol :)

Love,
~Res

happyhappyjoyjoy

April 24th, 2007, 05:00 PM

Actually, I just had a great day! I kinda get rowdy when I start or finish a great day! Did yall have a great day?

I finished my cleanse a few weeks ago and I miss it already. I am planning another cleanse in July. Next time I want to go further. Not sure how much but I know that someone said take it 10 days at a time. Pre cleanse I was a drag. Severe workoholic with depression? maybe? Anyways, Very unlike myself. I learned everything I know about the cleanse from these forums. Res, peanut and supercleanser and all the veterans who help the rookies like they do should be applauded! :::stand up girls::: clap clap clap clap!

Anywhoo....I am back to my old self. The cleanse done more for me than cleansed me...some.. But I learned to take things slowly..minute by minute rather than trying to be invincable..and miserable.. happy , I like being Happy...

osalazar

April 25th, 2007, 02:34 AM

GoodEvening,

I'm about to end my 10 day cleanse. I'm a bit worried about breaking the fast. I was wondering that after the cleanse I would definitely eat healthier. But I just don't see myself being RAW at all. I have been raised to eat meat, seafood, dairy, carbs. However, I plan on calming it down and not going straight into my old habits. I was thinking of the South Beach Diet, has anyone on here went to a different diet than RAW?

And since I was never RAW or anywhere close to it, is cooked veggies with no salt or condiments ok for the veggie soup? And can I have that in the afternoon of the first day off my cleanse?

So the plan would be fresh OJ in the morning, lots of water, around lunch have the veggie soup, and dinner veggie soup again,any thoughts?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!!!:confused:

peanutterb

April 25th, 2007, 12:00 PM

hey osalazar - the directions for breaking the cleanse are in the books of course and in the general help for newbies thread.

you don't have to go raw after breaking the cleanse, just be more healthy and be sure to eat less. You can reintroduce meat and dairy etc after day 4 of breaking the cleanse but remember to take it slow.

and you have 2 days of juice and then you have broth on the eve of day 2 breaking the fast and then soup the following down.

please read the ending the cleanse section in your book(s) and in the General Help for Newbies thread.

Sim

April 25th, 2007, 12:18 PM

Hi Everyone~
Too many comments to reply to individually and I know I'll forget who said what so I'll do this best I can:
HappyHappy: Yes! Post-cleanse is awesome and a little scary because now you have to face real life and food. Good for you! Isn't it amazing how different we feel post-cleanse. 10 days at a time is good...if you feel great, keep going, if you think you're through, then you are! Good stuff.

Garlic: food of the gods! Yes, it works for everything and I say anyone who doesn't like the way I smell after I garlic myself to life can stay on the other side of the room! Res, you and I can just hang together and the rest, tough luck!

Ginger: awesome, and traveling can be tough. I was just in DC and brought bananas, apples, strawberried, almonds, dried apricots and bought some avocados. It was great but I didn't eat in restaurants. Good thing my champion husband is easy to please. He's not raw but he was happy with PBJs.

Okay, so I was thinking about this yesterday: I never worry anymore about my weight or what I'm eating...and I eat all day. I was a Weight Watcher lecturer for 5 years, I've been on every diet in the world, on and off, since the age of 15. I've never been severely overweight but anywhere between 5 and 25 pounds over has been my up and down weight life. Anyway, I always thought that WW was not a diet, since it's a way to eat, not focused on cutting food out of your life. Now I see it differently. On all those "plans" I was always wondering what to eat next, how much have I already had, what am I allowed and how much more am I allowed. I don't do that anymore. I eat whatever I want from my raw food choices, some simple like avocado in a sheet of nori and some less simple like raw pizza. An apple, a smoothie, a mango...who knows? I eat when I feel like eating. I have gained 2 pounds back after my 30 pound weight loss during my 40 day cleanse in December/January and I can't believe that I don't worry at all about my weight. I don't think I will go back to the SAD diet because I feel so great this way and I love what I eat. I also cook for 5 other people who will not go raw so it's not like I'm not around cooked food and all my previous favorite recipes. But this is the first time that I can really say that all the other plans ARE diets, no matter how much hype tells us they're not. If you're always worried about how much you're "allowed" to eat, you're on a diet. Wow. Long diatribe.

Happy sunshine days, everyone. Life is good and juicy, like the pineapple I just cut up!

Res

April 25th, 2007, 12:39 PM

Sim! Hug, smirk, Grin, YIPPEE. :D You and me and Garlic make 3! ;) :rolleyes: Should I run and hide my face after that? :o

It's all Happy's fault with her use of the word "Rowdy". ;) That's all it took and I started bouncing off walls. :D Then Sim, your fun comment about garlic and well..... http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/bounce009.gif

Only day 10 of being all RAW but I have to agree on everything you said. I don't "worry" about what to eat any more and I do find that I'm eating quite often and all day. It's an apple here, celery and almond butter there, Lasagna (cornbleets book! :eek: ), delicious fresh salads, mango's geez it goes on and on.

Thank you so much for what you said regarding eating raw and how you feel etc. Those words are very empowering. JOIN US in the RAW THREAD please! :D One Month Raw Challenge (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2866&page=14)

So, yesterday *I* started thinking, why would I want to go back to all cooked foods and feel completely bogged down and stuff up again? Plus, I had no intention of doing this for weight loss but I'm certain I've dropped weight because of the way a certain pair of pants glided on this morning. I can even feel it on my sides (waist). The fat is just sort of melting. All in All this is pretty cool and I like the way I feel eating raw. :)

Happy, thank you for the kind words for the Mod's and Helpers. :)

osalazar: I never imagined myself going all raw either. After this 30 day challenge I know I'll eat cooked meat again because that's just the way I am. But I'm NOT going to eat the same way I did. It's suicide. And although I'm a bit wacky, I'm not a masochist. ;)

Love to all!
~Res

mtmouse

April 25th, 2007, 12:50 PM

Great post, Sim!

And I couldn't agree more. Even though I'm still not losing eating all raw (and I'd love for my clothes to glide on a la Res), I really also have no cravings for anything not raw and I love how I feel when I'm eating and in between. And I go for long periods without even thinking about food.

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I'll continue eating raw "forever" after our 30-day challenge. I guess it doesn't really matter. I can make that choice one day at a time. Part of me thinks that eating something cooked doesn't mean you're [U]adding poison; it's only that I'd be missing the stuff that's lost in the cooking.

But another part of me has already gone the "almost all the way" route, and I can tell it's a slippery slope! I still eat a lot of raw in that mode, but I start feeling "lazy" and somehow think that cooking a piece of meat is "easier" than, what?-- eating an apple? :D

Anyway, I'm content for the moment!

happyhappyjoyjoy

April 25th, 2007, 01:20 PM

((MTMOUSE)) I am finding the cleanse is much much easier than the after the cleanse. I struggle day to day with my food choices. I know I can blame it on my social life because we eat to live and live to eat down here in the south. Just check out the polls:eek: I have lived a rather healthy lifestyle when it comes to athletics etc. but food choices have always been horrible! I think I need another cleanse to really break the thought of what i need versus the what I want. I felt fine after my 10 day detox I shoulda woulda coulda just carried on. I heard it takes up to 30 days to refrain from bad habits to have it out your system..any thoughts on that?

((RES)) Leave it to me always leaving something for others to carry with them ;) Sorry to come off as this biggo blob of energy. It is the real me.I cant, just cant contain myself sometimes :D and Oh NO THANK YOU!!

((SIM)) Thank YOU too!!!

((PEANUT)) Good luck with your job hunting etc. If ya ever down here on the Beautiful messed up Gulf coast of Mississippi. I have a job for ya! Can ya run A trackhoe? Drive a Dumptruck? What I am really saying is..you seem to be an asset anywhere you go to work, Just from being here on the board your dedication is honerable! AND THANK YOU TOO!

((OSALAZAR)) congratulations on your MC!! I cant give advice yet on the post cleanse cause I am trying to get my own..hahha But I am glad you are now here.

Ok I am off to go tear something up :eek: Ill be back later with a new cheer song or word... :rolleyes: Bet you all are sitting on the egde of your seat thinking..oh gawd what does she got up her sleeve? hehe

Everyone have a FANTABULOUS, SUPERDELICIOUS, EXTRAOUTTAORDINARY DAY!

Sim

April 25th, 2007, 10:23 PM

Hi Everyone~
Oh, I'm so annoyed! I had written a long response to everyone and my computer went kablooey! Well, I'm stubborn, so take this, computer!!!

Res~ I will happily join you all on the Challenge thread...maybe we should think of this not as a challenge but as a TEMPORARY commitment. Challenge implies that one may fail. WE WILL NOT FAIL! Know why? Because it's only temporary (heh,heh) and all of us can do anything for a short, finite amount of time, right?

Happy~ The absolute best sandwich I ever had was a fried oyster po'boy in New Orleans, washed down with a Muffaletta from Central Deli, followed by beignets and café au lait at Café du Monde. I will never forget that, ever. The memory of how they tasted is firmly in my head and heart BUT I would not be tempted to eat that way again! I know I must be weird, but the other memory of how sluggish I used to feel, the heartburn and reflux I used to have, the thirty extra pounds that used to be a part of me...all those things are more powerful motivators to live raw than the memory of delicious food. I can have that food in my head any time I want and still feel healthy because I eat raw. The South has the best food ever, so I know it's hard for you, but try it and see if you can just do a little more raw. Then maybe it will lead to more. And if not, not. You're still terrific for even thinking about how to be healthier. I don't know if a longer cleanse helps or not. I did a 40 day cleanse because I'm an excessive person and I loved the feeling I had the whole time I had my lemonade. I almost didn't want to give it up! But I had never been a vegetarian, never even knew Raw existed, so I don't think the longer cleanse caused me to go Raw. I researched while I was cleansing, looking for a better way. That's all, and I never intended to be a totally raw eater, yet here I am, 100% since January 19.

Mouse~ You are so on the money! Eating cooked food is not like eating poison so don't worry about that aspect....it's just that you [I]could[I] be eating something raw that would be better. In the beginning, it seems easier to throw a steak on a grill or the broiler than chopping or blending. On those days, I ate a salad with some special ingredient for interest...like daikon or broccoli rabe, jicama, avocado, maybe even just a new salad dressing. But if you should find that you really want meat or chicken or something, then have it and don't feel bad. My 27 year old daughter did a 30 day cleanse and decided to do raw with me....she loved it. Then she had a boyfriend "problem" and had coffee...then cake...then hamburgers. After two weeks of that, she decided that falling off the raw wagon seemed like a good idea at the time but it was making her miserable because she felt so stuffed up and full in a bad way. She's back to raw, voluntarily...(as long as I'm making the meals!) and loving the difference in how she feels.

Everyone in my family is incredulous that I'm Raw. Me, the cavegirl, eating whole sides of beef if given the chance! Me, the lady who's read and used every Gourmet and Southern Living magazine and new cookbook that's come down the pike. I love to cook and I love to eat. But I just can't believe the combinations that make some of the most delicious food I have ever tasted. Tonight I made Juliano's Mac Cream to go over my zucchini pasta. It was unbelievable and easy to make...and we had it with Matt Amsden's Thai Curry soup, a beautiful and tasty concoction that knocked my socks off. Who would ever have known that nuts, lemon juice, garlic and spices could tast so incredible? Give Raw a chance...although the coolest thing is that you can go to any grocery store and buy fruits and veggies and be raw, you can also indulge in your gourmet side or cavegirl side and find raw recipes that satisfy every craving you could have. I just can't believe it. Neither can anyone who knows me, but here I am :D

Res~ one more thing: go buy new jeans, but don't spend a lot of money; you'll need smaller ones in a couple of weeks!

Love you wiseguys...you all totally rock!

mtmouse

April 25th, 2007, 10:32 PM

Love you wiseguys...you all totally rock!

And Sim: YOU rock!

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance006.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

laurel

April 26th, 2007, 12:35 PM

In case anyone was wondering if it's a good idea to eat ONE tiny piece of bread with your soup....it's NOT!!!

**poot** ;)

I'm just sayin' hello to the board. It's a beautiful day and this fresh pineapple is super awesome and my jeans don't fit anymore! weeee!

osalazar

April 26th, 2007, 05:14 PM

Good Day All!

I'm on my first day post MC, and was not clear as to how much OJ I"m supposed to drink for all day today. Can someone let me know? I"m drinking a lot of water and little OJ will this prolong the recover to solid foods?

Also, I'd like to start my veggie soup today, good or bad Idea, since I've been drinking mor water than OJ?

Thanks for any advice.

Res

April 26th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Sim: Kathy's right You do rock! :D

Ahh yes, how did you know I needed new jeans? :) Have to wait until I can get "other things" under control.

Laurel: lol, Live and learn, huh? ;)

osalazar: It's probably too soon unless you have the will power to just sip the broth. Let me tell ya, one bite with lead to two, two to the next two and then a bowl later you're looking for what else you can eat. I'm not kidding you end up wanting to taste EVERYTHING. So the longer you can hold off the better for your stomach. It's probably not what you wanted to hear but I hope it helps. :)

Love,
~Res

Sim

April 27th, 2007, 08:15 AM

Res, Kathy~
I'm blushing:o
I don't know if I rock, but I do know that I've been accused of having rocks in my head! :D
It's been pouring in CT and I'm kicking myself for not having planted the flowers and strawberry plants I bought last week...ah well, there's always tomorrow!
Have a day filled with good thoughts, then eat something raw but satisfying.
More later....

peanutterb

April 27th, 2007, 08:39 AM

just finished up a 32 day fast. today is my first day of juice. starting raw on sun/ mon.
just dropping by and saying hi.

laurel

April 27th, 2007, 11:04 AM

Congratulations, Peanut! What an inspiration you are!

So another odd/uncharacteristic thing happened to me again last night...I wonder if this has happened to any of you post-cleanse. So I've had the flu all week, and haven't been able to get ANYTHING done (I work for myself, so it's really important for me to stay on top of things) and last night I just had a total breakdown. At first it seemed like I was crying because I was frustrated about being sick, and impatient to get well again. Then I was just sobbing uncontrollably, like almost trying to cry out every tear in my body. It was very surreal...

I'm about a week post-cleanse, still eating only whole fruits and vegetables. Do you think I might still be doing a little emo-detox? I am definitely not a cry-er usually!

Res

April 27th, 2007, 04:19 PM

A little Levity

As I've Matured (http://www.frontiernet.net/~jimdandy/specials/life/life.htm) :)

Sim

April 27th, 2007, 08:48 PM

A little Levity

As I've Matured (http://www.frontiernet.net/~jimdandy/specials/life/life.htm) :)

Res, those are some funny lines!
Peanutterb~ Yay! 32 days: you're clean!! I bet that OJ will taste great tomorrow! You are Peanutter-super-b!

Laurel Could be de-tox...did you feel really great when it was all over? I use that as my yardstick. Like when you're on the MC and you feel sort of icky until the salt water kicks in...then you eliminate and suddenly the world is a much better place. I hope you're feeling so much better now. Being sick is a drag, and the flu is the worst, as so many people here can testify. Glad you were able to write about it...it will probably help someone who will go through the very same thing in the future.

I can't stop eating. This has just got to be hormonal craziness. Of course, I've replaced candy and cake with salad and medjools...but if you eat enough of those suckers, you can get awfully sick! Don't try it...take my word for it :rolleyes:

Res

April 30th, 2007, 10:49 AM

Congrats Peanut! :D Time flies for sure (perhaps not for you during those 32 days ;))

I just received a bit of disconcerting news from Dr Mercola about Probiotics. Just like the rest of you I pick and choose the information that works best for me. I don't have "all my eggs in one basket" so to speak but I do respect Dr. Mercola and his research.

I happen to believe that after "upping" my brand of probiotics that my 'condition' actually improved and I'm going to continue to increase them for a while until I stabilized on my new raw food path.

Here's the info and I hope this generates some lively conversation. :)

Well...I copied it into Word to edit it and post it here but it's still a big mess - and I don't think you can access the info unless you're a member (which takes two minutes to subscribe). I still may try to paste it here so forgive me if it's a dire mess.

Love,
~Res

Res

April 30th, 2007, 11:11 AM

Okay, I decided not to post it because I think it's just a sales pitch, tsk, tsk, tsk Dr Mercola. :mad:

Use them though. ;)

mtmouse

April 30th, 2007, 11:17 AM

But if we're supposed to use them, what's "disconcerting" about it all?

:confused:

Res

April 30th, 2007, 02:54 PM

Oh, sorry to leave you hanging like that. lol :D Basically he was saying "Not all Probiotics are created equal".... well we already knew that! So he was pushing an "all encompassing probiotics" brand that he's selling on his website.

Basically and especially nowadays we need the good bacteria in our systems and we need an outside source for it because of the air, water, food we (SAD) normally eat, tears down the good bacteria.

:)

mtmouse

April 30th, 2007, 03:00 PM

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up! :)

skinnyminnie

May 2nd, 2007, 12:28 PM

Hi all! Skinnyminnie is back! And I am very ashamed of myself. Am almost back to totally cooked foods again! YIKES! Went to New York, ate really bad, ribs, etc. And last night had spaghetti and meatballs, coffee, ice cream. I feel like such a failure! I feel like I wasted those 10 days on the cleanse! Part of the reason being I don't have all the necessary equipment yet. My father-in-law bought me a Dehydrator (Mr. Coffee - 5 tray) and it's very nice but had no instruction booklet so my husband has to try to find me one on EBay. I had a juicer and it was a piece of crap, got another one, another piece of crap (broken now) and need a new one. Don't have a food processor yet and am feeling so overwhelmed since I haven't even familiarized myself yet at a health food store to find out what half that stuff is in the new cookbooks I bought.

Also, my son in LA says the there's a Master Cleanse craze going on over there. His fiance is on the cleanse but said she had a hard time with the salt water flush. Said she ground the salt from those chunks. I didn't do that! Was I supposed to???? I just used it the way it was and measured it the way it came in those large grounds. I thought it only had to be ground if you wanted to use it for table salt. Now I'm not sure if I even did the cleanse correctly! someone please set me straight! Mtmouse, are you there?????

mtmouse

May 2nd, 2007, 12:42 PM

Hi skinnieminnie!

Yes, I'm here!

Don't worry about the salt. If your SWF worked for you during your cleanse, it worked! All the grinding does is make the salt dissolve a bit faster.

And as to the reversion to cooked food, that's not such a terrible thing. Especially, as you say, if you don't yet have all your ducks in a row. There's nothing terrible about cooked food (well, some is terrible, LOL). It's just that you're losing some healthy stuff by cooking. You can always start by simply adding more salads and easily prepared raw stuff to whatever else you're eating, and transition slowly when you decide that's how you want to eat and you have what you need to make that transition easy.

So don't be so hard on yourself! A cleanse is never wasted. You've learned lots even if you didn't turn into somebody perfect (like me and everyone else here, LOLOLOL!). And you have time now to start implementing small changes to change your direction. If you want to. No one says you have to! Just start listening to your body and see what it says.

Anyway, come over into our "30-day raw challenge" thread. Maybe sometime soon you'll want to try something like that. I tried it to help change my habits, and it's been great!

Res

May 5th, 2007, 12:00 PM

I just can't get away from being drawn to this place! :p

See the following article...unbelievable. The FDA is going to determine if's it's OK for "us" to eat contaminated chickens. Thanks FDA, I think I'll decide that for myself...:rolleyes:

20 Million chickens held because of feed (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070505/ap_on_he_me/pet_food_recall)

Sim

May 7th, 2007, 07:22 AM

[QUOTE=Res]

See the following article...unbelievable. The FDA is going to determine if's it's OK for "us" to eat contaminated chickens. Thanks FDA, I think I'll decide that for myself...:rolleyes:

Unbelievable! I'm glad I don't have to worry about that anymore...:D

Broodwich Sandwich

May 8th, 2007, 07:05 PM

I recently just finished my first MC. I went for 22 days. The first two days after cleanse I just drank OJ throughout the day, then the next two, I drank OJ and the homemade vegetable broth. Yesterday and today, I did the OJ in the morning, broth when I got home from school, and a few hours later ate some raspberries and strawberries. So, tomorrow is day 6 post-cleanse and I'm concerned on how I should be eating. When should I eat, how many calories, what I should eat...ya know stuff like that. I also plan on eating raw for these next two weeks. Does anyone have any advice for me as to how I should be eating, or can anyone provide examples of how they ate after coming off a twenty-something MC? I really would like to keep the weight that I've lost off. Please and thank you! =D =D =D

Ginger

May 9th, 2007, 08:16 AM

Jordan-you can begin your probiotics right away. You can also drink bottled water. I don't care for the oj for breaking the fast. It's way too sweet. I always drink grapefruit juice.

No matter which juice you drink, you may want to water it down a bit, so your stomach can handle it.

Res

May 9th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Broodwich: You need to hook up with us in the One Month Raw Challenge thread (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2866), it's where the rubber meets the road. ;) We're doing it. Read from page 1 and on. All the Raw food books we're using are mentioned in the thread, and also the stuff we're eating.

The Lemonhead Recipe box has a combo of Raw and cooked foods, but these last 30 days or so it's all raw. :)

Love,
~Res

Ginger

May 10th, 2007, 05:28 AM

Think about it Jordan, 3 oranges and a grapefruit ALL DAY!!! when was the last time (prior to the cleanse) that you ate so little in one day.

If you feel you're eating too fast. Make a plan. Ex. I will take a eat a piece of the grapefruit and walk away for 5 minutes. Stick to the plan. Think about how few calories you're actually taking in. And please....EAT ENOUGH!

Ginger

May 11th, 2007, 06:01 AM

irhxcbcziuzxs - You need to shake the negative thinking! Try meditation. Or use some of PB's suggestions. I can't remember how many days you've been off the cleanse, but it's normal to feel sluggish when you first start to eat again.

You may still be doing some detox. And when I came off my ccleanse, I ate like a horse, wanting to taste everything (raw). You can do this. I KNOW YOU CAN!!!

If you think you can't, you won't....but if you remind yourself how far you've come in 50 days, and go with a positive frame of mind, you'll be surprised. Make a list of all the good things.

pseudovegan

May 12th, 2007, 04:47 PM

Day 1.5 post-MC (see 'What Day' thread and 'Breaking the Fast' thread).

Food(s) (This was through noon-ish.):
-Diluted OJ 'til about 10:45 AM., then
-1 organic apple
-1 Lara Bar
-Several spoons of leftover (cold) veggie soup
-1 spoon of raw Almond butter and organic Strawberry spread on 1/4 of a sprouted English muffin (not raw)

Then, just now (around 2:30 P.M.):
-3 baby carrots dipped in watered-down Annie's Goddess dressing (not raw :()
-1 more baby carrot dipped in a little raw Almond butter
-3 walnuts (not raw)

Blaaaah. Feeling?
-Too full
-Still sort of disappointed
-Kind of gross inside

...even though considering, what I've eaten today isn't relatively horrible... I'll just feel a lot better if I run it off tomorrow. That whole raw thing? I'm trying... not sure how hard though. I ate the carrots while preparing a salad I'm bringing for myself to a BBQ tonight (spinach, carrots, green and purple cabbage, walnuts, raisins, dried cherries w/watered down Goddess). Hmm.

Res

May 14th, 2007, 08:28 PM

irhx: There's a real misconception that the cleanse is going to make everything better. The cleanse is a springboard and does great things but it's WHAT YOU DO IN-BETWEEN the cleanse that really matters.

I'm sorry you're so frustrated. Been there - done that. *hug* Your desire for food and even the wrong food won't go away in 10, 21 or 50 days. You've spent your entire life eating mostly wrong so you won't learn how to take care of yourself in such a brief period of time.

We use the word "journey" here and we mean it. This takes time. If you're serious about your health this isn't a short trip - it's a journey. I know how frustrating it can be.

When I'm "off" the cleanse, I want to "taste" everything. I really have to rein myself in or I can get into trouble. It's always BEST to have a PLAN in place on how you're going to eat for at least 30 days AFTER THE CLEANSE. It gets too confusing for most people and when they don't know what to do they fall back into the old ways.

Don't overeat. But don't starve yourself either or you'll binge. Lots of self talk about food and come up with a plan! :)

Love,
~Res

Oh p.s. When I start eating again, it doesn't take long for me to get exhausted too. It could be a number of things but just stay simple. :)

Nance

May 14th, 2007, 10:24 PM

Too bad there wasn't some sort of password lock to get into this thread. Meaning, you can't get in until you complete the cleanse. :) And this is only for the benefit of the cleansers and reading about OUR FOOD! lol ;D.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT! I am on Day 7 . .. and I am outta here! Glad you are here, but I have a long way to go before I can visit this thread!!

Way to go you guys, you all ROCK!

Res

May 17th, 2007, 12:51 PM

Nance: hahaha, well it gives you something to look forward to. ;)

Love,
~Res

deedo

May 21st, 2007, 12:50 PM

Here is another one I had great success with:
Dr Hulda's recipie
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

I got rid of tons of gallstones with this fantastic and easy flush!! Believe it or not, the oliveoil/grapefruit concoction was not as gross as I thought it would be. I did this twice in the past year and would reccomend it to anyone.

- deedo

MCconvert

May 21st, 2007, 06:01 PM

okay, just found this thread....shoulda been here a week ago when i was just coming off my 1st ten-day cleanse and feelin' so fine....now i'm a week later and really struggling to maintain that light, healthy feeling of being on the cleanse....i came off it feeling so good-ate only fruits and veggies for about four days, then gradually worked back into a reasonably healthy diet, not raw or vegan, but just food that sits well, doesn't feel too heavy......
then after this past weekend, i've totally blown it and gone completely out of control! i have GOT to get a grip or i'm going to gain back all lost weight and all sense of feeling good.....i miss it so so much! being on the cleanse was the greatest experience of my life, as far as eating and food and feeling i achieved something i never thought i could. now i feel bloated and fat and puffy....help!!
res, thanks for your advice already....been reading this thread and finding lots of what you've already said very helpful--i just need to come up with a plan....it's just good to read from like-minded people...thanks!

Res

May 22nd, 2007, 10:10 AM

Deedo: Thanks for posting this and saying it wasn't so bad. I MUST do this but I've heard horror stories so I've been putting it off. I've heard the Epsom salts make you gag and I'd rather die than throw up. Also people have mentioned that the olive oil sloshing around makes them queasy. :o

Can you tell me your experience? Purdy please? :)

MCconvert: Welcome to the same boat we've all been in. :o I can say with all honesty that "I know how you feel" as do many others about being out of control. I think people feel as if they've been neglected (by cleansing) and I believe it's buried deep down inside. So you end the cleanse and have a great idea of "how" you're going to live with food but end up wanting to taste everything and the next thing you know it's binge city because you don't have a solid plan. You tell yourself you can cleanse again, or you'll stop before it gets out of control but you don't and it does. *sigh* Been there - done that.

I used to say, "Oh I'm going to eat 65% raw" and then not have a clue how to do so. I saw it in my head but never having lived a raw life my well laid plans were unrealistic. I give myself a A+ for the idea but I didn't have the tools to make it a reality. I do now. ;) But that's after trial and error.

I personally don't believe everyone is meant to eat all raw. I'm a meat eater and I like fish. I can live my life eating everything else raw but do need to incorporate meat. Other's will argue but I have to do what I have to do. Right now, I've been all raw for about 35-36 days but I don't intend to stay that way forever. I'm just taking it a day at a time. You should check out the thread, it's "The one month raw challenge (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2866&page=39)". "DON'T" (please) feel any pressure to do the same. Just go and read about our experiences, if you'd like to.

I believe (I'm not an authority) that you MUST have a 30 day plan *BEFORE* coming off the cleanse or you'll flap around like a fish out of water and eventually end up back where you were pre-cleanse.

It's not the cleanses fault. The cleanse is amazing and I could actually live there if it was feasible but it's not. Oh, by the way it's not your fault either. It's how we've been brought up. We need re-training and I know that sounds like a pain in the wazoo. However, something drew you here to the cleanse so you're in the right place at the right time. Consider yourself in college, Health 101. You're not going to know *everything*. Even the experts don't know *everything* but you know you and that's a beginning. :)

Love,
~Res

MCconvert

May 22nd, 2007, 05:08 PM

Res, you're a lifesaver!! You've said exactly what i needed to hear...thanks more than you'll ever know. You are SO right about needing a 30-day plan coming off the cleanse...more than anything i just want to follow my hunger and eat instinctively, but i clearly don't have a good handle on how that feels all the time. I know what foods make me feel crappy, and what foods trigger my binge eating style....so for now i have to make a few things "off limits" for a while, just to get back on track....it's difficult not to go to extremes, but eating mostly raw seems to be the answer for me, just for a while. Not really possible for me to go completely raw for life...(i'm with you on meat and fish) but i could definitely use more fruits and veggies in my overall eating mentality, and this whole BB has got me thinking lots more about that than ever before, so thanks to all for that. I'll check out the 1-month raw challenge--thanks for the suggestion, and for answering my concerns so specifically...

cwgirl

May 22nd, 2007, 10:22 PM

Hi ladies;

I have been reading your thread, what a terrific bunch of people!!!! Well, I have not read ALL of it, but I intend too!! I am going to break my fast (10-11 day) fast Thursday of Friday. I have countless questions, but I will start by asking one.

I read a ways back a person named Will was using the lemonades as meal replacements, plus dinner and maybe a snack, and a few others tried this as well. I was considering trying this for awhile, while I sort of re-gather myself after this cleanse. I am so afraid of falling into my old ways~ and would like to incorporate more raw *(need to learn more :o ) and would like to get a handle on maintaining weight.

Does anyone recommend this approach?? And if so, would I break the fast somewhat differantly?? I ws thinking of a day and a half of juice, tiny bits of fruit (plus lemonade) then adding a meal, and fruit/veggie type snacks. Does this sound reasonable??

I would be so appreciative of ANY advice!! LOL~ Newbie on the loose!!

Many, many thanks in advance!!!!!
Cindy

kim2510

May 23rd, 2007, 12:53 AM

I just wanted to comment that after three days of being off the cleanse, I want to go back on!!! That isn't a negative comment. I've done really well with my diet and can relate to other people that I feel like I'm the floundernig fish because I don't have a plan. Nonetheless, we have all come a long way and should be proud of our accomplishments. The cleanse taught us many things about what our capabilities are and what our capabilities can be now and in the future. I do miss the energy of "not digesting food", but I've been eating fairly light and haven't lost a lot of energy.

If anyone is into natural hygiene, the book "Fit for life" is great. I've read it probably 10 times and feel I am actually ready to start making these changes permanently in my lifestyle. I recommend the book to anyone. Take care everybody!!!

Kim

Res

May 23rd, 2007, 01:41 PM

Mcconvert: Glad I could help. :)

cwgirl: Using the Lemonade as a meal replacement is more than fine. Be sure you tell yourself which meal you're going to use it for and stick to it for whatever period of time you designate. :) Sounds like a great plan.

Kim: I love Fit for Life! I have to eliminate the grains but I'm all for their ideas and recipes. I've never lost an ounce following their plan but I sure felt better. They have an amazing non raw Shepherds pie with mushroom gravy that is worth every bite. Mmmm :)

Love to all,
~Res

amani96

May 23rd, 2007, 05:15 PM

*After The Cleanse*

This is where we can continue supporting each other when we're done cleansing in all the same ways we did during the cleanse. :)

Love,
~Res
Ok, I have a question. I know the answer is some where in either this thread or somewhere on the forums.

Is sushi bad or unhealthy? Will it undo all that I have achieved in the cleanse? I have recently discovered the delicious flavors of sushi, and am quickly becoming a lover of it. At first I was timid to try the "raw" rolls, but I am quickly becoming a fan of those as well.

Please advise!

mtmouse

May 23rd, 2007, 05:45 PM

Ok, I have a question. I know the answer is some where in either this thread or somewhere on the forums.

Is sushi bad or unhealthy? Will it undo all that I have achieved in the cleanse? I have recently discovered the delicious flavors of sushi, and am quickly becoming a lover of it. At first I was timid to try the "raw" rolls, but I am quickly becoming a fan of those as well.

Please advise!

I guess it all depends on what you mean by "bad or unhealthy". Different people have different takes!

The fish in sushi is raw, so from a raw standpoint that works (though most raw purists don't eat animal stuff of any kind). The rice, however, is not only cooked, but sweetened with sugar. The nori (seaweed wrapping) in most sushi is also toasted. So it's up to you to decide if you want to eat that and whether you consider it "bad or unhealthy". It certainly is delicious, I'll give you that! But most things with sugar are, LOL.

And I won't mention the effects on your bank account! LOLOL.

MCconvert

May 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=Res]Mcconvert: Glad I could help. :)

cwgirl: Using the Lemonade as a meal replacement is more than fine. Be sure you tell yourself which meal you're going to use it for and stick to it for whatever period of time you designate. :) Sounds like a great plan.

I (MCconvert) had the same question: has anyone had experience with continued weightloss following this kind of plan? (replacing 2 of three meals with lemonade) I've been trying to do this the last few days,(except for my out-of-control-weekend, where i ate my entire house in a free-for-all...)
but usually only lose weight when my one meal is strictly vegan--i tried a smoothie made with Kiefer milk(which i LOVED before i did my cleanse) and it just doesn't sit as well in my tummy anymore....
anyone?

Res

May 23rd, 2007, 10:11 PM

I actually had the "idea" of using 2 lemonades for meals but it - never - really - congealed. :o Similar to your comment except for my out-of-control-weekend, where i ate my entire house in a free-for-all... hahaha http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/happy051.gif Been there - done that. *If* you do this (which is really healthy and a good idea) PLAN THE ONE MEAL you're going to eat for 30 days or - at least have a 2 week menu or you'll be back to square one - because it's easier - and you're tired - or you don't have the ingredients for a healthy meal - and the chips have been in the cupboard for a month and you don't want them to go to waste (waist ;)). And so on...

Truly I'm not trying to be discouraging...I've done the cleanse 14 times and I've talked to countless people (here on the bb) about the exact same issue - going back to eating the old way. If you don't have a plan you're going to crash and burn - it's that simple. Some of us live 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years eating the same way and expect to change our ways automatically in 10 DAYS! It's just not going to happen. There's the idealistic and then the realistic.

BUT - I think ;) that if you have a PLAN you'll be fine.

How's that? :)

Love,
~Res

MCconvert

May 24th, 2007, 06:00 PM

very, very helpful, thanks a million times over!!!
i feel like i need the support of this BB more now than i EVER did on the cleanse (life on the cleanse is so much easier in many ways, no?) and i am SO grateful for your advice. so here's the plan: (putting it in writing here so that i have to answer to people who really understand)
-as of monday (three days ago) i've been drinking lemonade for at least two meals, and am going to continue that until june 12th. i plan to have my "real" meal be dinner on most days, since that's the easiest to manage (three kids under four and a husband to cook for....) and will try to eat mostly fruits and veggies and lean protein, as much raw as possible for that meal.

-i have to swear off bread and anything with gluten in it for the same time period--bread and cereal are such trigger foods for me....(have to eat the entire loaf or box)

-this is the real clencher--no matter what i will follow my hunger--i will eat only when i'm truly hungry and stop before i get sick...

so i'll reevaluate the plan after june 12th (my birthday and my goal date to get back down to the weight i was at coming off the cleanse--gained about six pounds over the last weekend! YIKES!)

thanks for letting me post this here--just for a little accountability.
you guys (gals) are the best!! very much appreciate the support.

fiery1

May 24th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Okay I'm having some serious issues with the MC.

I finished my 10 days on the 21st. About half way through the cleanse I started to develop hemorrhoids. I have never had this problem before but figured this was a detox symptom. Well 2 major problems: 1) I still have them. 2) I have not had a bowel movement since I ended my cleanse 3 days ago.

These things have me very concerned. I think fasting is good for the body, but I think the lax tea and salt water have really messed up my intestines, colon, and rectum. I am very worried. I could drink the tea again, but the last thing I want is to be dependant on this to have a bowel movement. I am eating only raw fruits and veggies, but I don't know what else to do. I feel like the MC did more damage to me than good. If anyone has any advice for these current problems it would be much appreciated. I got involved with this cleanse to heal my body, not f*** it up.

thanks

Res

May 24th, 2007, 10:22 PM

fiery: What you're going through is "normal for some people". It takes the body a while to adjust to "moving" on it's own.

What are you eating? Take it slow and don't worry. You'll have a bm soon and most likely the "roids" will go away in a few weeks. :)

Congratulations on finishing the cleanse! :D

Love,
~Res

Ginger

May 24th, 2007, 10:41 PM

My old boss started the cleanse on May 1 and his last day is today. 24 days. He hasn't visited the board, but he's had a good cleanse. He said it was tough. He then said he's finishing up today so he can eat at the memorial day parties. I tried to warn him he would make himself sick if he tried to do that. I'll update when he tells me how it goes. :eek: :eek:

Spring Cleaning

June 5th, 2007, 03:50 PM

Hey All,

I thought it would be good to include a Sample Menu thread in addition to the recipe box.

I'm an inexperienced...or shall I say, 'green' raw foodist ;-) and don't have any of the fancy equipment. Just a blender and a coffee grinder.

Here's a sample from my near-raw diet.

Breakfast: Whole grapefruit to start. Wait until hunger returns.
Then, a smoothie of Strawberries, fresh ground flax seed, sprouts from the grocery store, coconut water from grocery store (other juice would work and be more sweet). Blend and enjoy!

Wait for true hunger. Then...

Lunch: Raw salad of Kale, parsley, diced red onions, tomatoes, sprouts, pumpkin seeds and Annie's Naturals Organic Goddess Dressing. YUM!

On this type of eating plan I find I'm not really hungry for a big dinner, or dinner at all! I try to keep it light in evening anyway, so I don't go to bed on a full tummy and disrupt my meditation. So IF I feel hungry, I'll have...

Dinner: Wild rice cake with raw almond butter and raisins.
OR a baked yam with steamed broccoli, drissled in balsamic vinigrett. (This is if I'm craving somethign cooked.)
OR another small salad.
The key here is small portions for me. I feel good if I wake up HUNGRY in the morning, and the best way to assure this is to eat very light dinner.

Also, I'm doing a one day a week maintainence fast utilizing the SWF and the MC lemonaid, but not the Lax tea. I worry about it being habit forming. My fast day is Monday.

So, as you can see. You can go pretty raw without the fancy equipment and little prep time. Buying sprouts can save time and planning (I can't seem to time their maturation with my meals). Also, when you're craving comfort food, try one the prepared meals in the raw food section of your health food store. They're quite elaborate and very tasty!

Good Luck!

Res

June 13th, 2007, 04:28 PM

I feel like stirring things up a bit - so beware. 8)

~*A grilled red bell pepper vs a raw red bell pepper by "smell".

So I walked into the kitchen at work and someone was heating up some concoction but what I focused on was the smell of the cooked bell pepper because that was the dominant aroma. Mmmmmm

Now, although my mouth can water over the "smell" of a peach if I'm close enough - I'll go crazy smelling bbq'd veggies et all halfway down the block. If I see a pile of peaches my brain will kick in and remember the delicious taste of a peach but grilled onions will sing to me. Yes, I said "sing". :p So what would I do? I'd eat the peach first....then wait about 10 minutes and eat the onions. There's a blurb somewhere about the health benefits of "cooked yellow onions".

Sorry folks, but I LOVE the smell of cooked food AND the *smell* is appetizing and appealing and alluring (hey all A's!).

~So now let's compare a "potluck" with all cooked foods and a raw food spread. You'll smell the delicious aroma of cooked foods and probably only the garlic/ginger etc (pungent) smells of the "raw" food. I will probably never partake of a potluck ever again only because I "know" that tasting all those foods = stomach ache! But you have to admit that a table full of cooked dishes compared with a table full of fruits and veggies - well - the smells of the veggies won't exactly have "most people" flocking to that table. You'll gravitate towards the smell of the cooked foods on that table.

Now - is this by design? Is it because we're "taught" to go for the aroma and not the non aroma veggies (unless they're cooked and once again we're drawn to the aroma)? What do you think?

I remember being told to "EAT YOUR VEGGIES" but the broccoli tasted and looked like paste and don't even get me going on Lima beans. I actually tried them as an adult and YeP! They still taste like crap to me. :o My son even thought he'd be adventurous and try the lima beans. What a hilarious scene that was as he made a B-line towards the trash can to spew. As a kid I ate "pickles" (when I was allowed to) Most of the veggies were dead, dead, dead. When I cook corn I drop it into hot water for about 3 minutes. I grew up with corn that stuck to your teeth like spackle. When I was "out of the house"I learned for myself how to cook veggies and have had a love affair with them ever since.

Don't get me wrong - I really do love eating raw and it's still very new to me. I've got a lot to learn and a long way to go.

Pardon my tirade here but there has to be a balance - or maybe I just feel like "stirring the pot" so to speak. ;) I like finding out things for myself and sometimes what "someone says" just doesn't settle well for some reason so I go their way and if it doesn't fit, I take my own path. If I crash and burn well then I've learned something but if I end up on a delicious path I've still learned what works for me. Either way it's win win right? (except for GREEN SMOOTHIES! :p ).

Comments? Rebuttles? (did I spell that correctly?) :confused: c'mon, bring it on!

Res

June 26th, 2007, 01:16 PM

Guess this was a show stopper, huh? :o

Issy

June 26th, 2007, 02:18 PM

Haha nice. Question for you, Res - have you ever given a thought to the blood type diet? Completely random.

Also, I subscribe to an integrative medicine journal magazine - and the writers in there all have several letters following their names :) In many instances, it was found that lightly steamed veggies (not dead) have more of their nutrients readily available for absorption through our digestive system - that is, we can utilize them much more easily. I know that this goes against raw, but what do you think?

mtmouse

June 26th, 2007, 10:07 PM

Wow. This is my first transition day after a 15-day cleanse. And I don't remember anything like this from my previous ones.

I've been having OJ all day, and I feel like I'm on the first day! I'm a little tired, and I'm freezing cold.

I'm not particularly craving any other food and so I don't have any doubt I'll be able to go right onto a nice raw plan (although I'll probably eat some salmon next week when we have guests). But it just seems so strange!

It's absolutely true, every cleanse is different.

Nance

June 26th, 2007, 10:52 PM

Res . . . your show-stopper comment LOL! I like the part about cooked onions SINGING to you!! I have heard some mighty loud chorsus lately, too!

Tomorrow is my last day of the MC, and I have grapefruit and oranges for the transition . . . wow thosee oranges are 'spensive just now . . . or have I not kept track for a long time:rolleyes:

Res

June 27th, 2007, 01:52 PM

Issy: I've tried the blood type diet and then read a lot about it and it's not for me. I'll refrain from commenting further because I think other's here use it and it works for them.

I'm much closer to eating for my "metabolic" type which is pretty interesting. Mercola supports this concept.

After eating all raw for approx 2 months and then a little cooked here and there since then I'm pretty convinced that all raw isn't for me. BUT, I NOW know that I can plop green beans into boiling water for about 1-2 minutes and take em out immediately and eat them rather crunchy. If I can eat it all raw, then cooking for 1 to 2 minutes should be fine. Some things (sweet potatoes) I prefer raw and since going all raw I've developed a new appreciation for raw carrots/celery/red bell pepper/just about all veggies. I even tried Kholrabi raw (first time eating it) and I think I can safely say that I won't miss anything by never eating it again. ;)

Then, I bit into a raw japanese eggplant because I grew it and eww... so, I think I can get away with marinating it and then dropping it onto the grill for a few minutes.

Kathy: Congrats on finishing your cleanse. :) How are you doing/feeling?

Nance, congratulations! Keep us posted on the transition! :)

Love,
~Res

Nance

June 27th, 2007, 10:33 PM

Yup now begins the transition, 51 days later. Amazing! 28 lbs gone.:D I am sure more would be off had it been for me drinking enough water. That discipline sorely needs work . . .

Someone gave me a great big beautiful grapefruit today:) . . . and I ate the citrusy part, no white part. . . jumped the gun with that, but feeling good. I took a 'dophilus' this evening, and will hit the hay very soon.

I have grapefruit and oranges ready for juicing in the morning. Do I dilute it, or if I can take it full strength, go ahead?

I need to be accountable for what I consume through the transition, until I stabilize:o . . . is this the thread for that?

3 - 4 days of grapefruit / orange juice combo, and then by Sunday some veggie broth (?) what it the raw equivalent of breaking this fast?:confused:

After day 4 post MC will go with various fruit/veggie juices, as much fresh squeezed as possible, until day 10.

day 10 - 15 will re-intro salads, avocados and lentil/veggie 'soup' that I have missed. Oh yes, bananas!! :p

After July 15 or so, will start some of these wonderful recipes. I want to hold off on nuts until then. I could really pig out on those. One of my first recipes will be the zucchini 'spaghetti' with A.C.s marinara sauce.:) :D :) I think my first dessert will be that chocolate cake on page 511 in her rawbook. I just cannot imagine what that frosting is like: cashews, avocado, carob powder, honey, and water . . .

UNTIL THEN . . . I will be leaning on my reports to keep me on the straight and narrow. I know I will gain a little weight here, but I want to give RAW a good 30 day try: at least.

By the end of July, I may be able to afford the dehydrator, and then in September sometime, a really good juicer. I already have a blender, low grade juicer, and will be getting a more powerful food processor/blender combo.

Thank you for listening!!! Bless y'all!!

mtmouse

June 27th, 2007, 10:43 PM

Congratulations, Nance!

Sounds like you have a good plan.

I personally always dilute my juice on those first transition days. Plus I drink extra water. And I lost another 2 pounds in those two days, too! (More days for you, I know.)

mtmouse

June 27th, 2007, 10:44 PM

And yes, this is a great thread to use to be accountable for your transition!

Nance

June 28th, 2007, 10:53 PM

Thanks, MT . . . today went well . . . my gut felt wierd in the morning with the 'dophilus', a good kind of wierd . . . it feels strong.

I had 4 squeezed grapefruit :) (whata revelation!), 2 more qts of MC during the day:p , and not enough water :mad: . . . This evening I jumped the gun (rats, I am in PMS!) and had a bowl of Knudsens organic low sodium version of V-8. I warmed it a bit, put in shoyu, fresh dried italian seasoning, flaxseed oil, and a bit of nutritional yeast . . . what a feast!! It tasted SO salty. The challenge was to GO SLOW, and NOT go get a second bowl only because that one tasted so heavenly. Gotta go with my gut, not my taste buds, cuz they are ravenous. My tummy sez yummy and quite enough, thank you.

I did get quite depressed today. Must be PMS, it will be my third period in and around the fast. What a wonderful opportunity to slay these self-medicating food idols, to Feel my heart, and hear what I am really saying inside. Visited a friend and would you belive it, nodded off while she was talking to me:eek: !! She let me doze a while and we were back at chatting for a good 2 hours after that.8)

I will see how it goes with returning to regular BM with out the aid of SWF or senna. It is time to take the system out of drydock.

Thanks for listening . . . this thread is my new home, and thanks again for the OK to post my list for accountability sake.:rolleyes: I do better with you 'watching out' for me!

MCconvert

June 29th, 2007, 12:54 PM

hey all...been a while since i checked in here, but i have several other family member "converts" for whom the site has been a real blessing as they've started their 1st MCs, so thanks for your continual support! i have to say that i'm addicted to the lemonade and drink it during most days now till bout 5:00p.m. when i try to do mostly fruits and veggies and good protein, having a hard time not feeling "puffy" when i eat any wheat, so i'm staying away from that most of the time.... feeling great doing this and following what my body really needs, what feels good going down.
Res--loved your "showstopper" entry and i completely agree....i grew up hating veggies cause they were always slimey, pale colored "have to" parts of eating....now i get as excited about a good salad as i do good chocolate (well, almost;) ) and am exploring lots of ways to "cook" veggies so that they are yummy and still good for you....i don't think a complete raw lifestyle is for me, but i love the ideas from here about good-for-you food that actually tastes good..
have a great day, all!

Issy

June 29th, 2007, 09:03 PM

I went ahead and broke my fast today. I wasn't very toxic to begin with, plus I'm not overweight. My main reason for doing the cleanse this time is that I want to go raw-a complete change of lifestyle. I live with a family who is convinced you must have meat every day in order to not die or become ill. I'm living proof that won't happen...but oh well. Anyway, I'm so excited!! It's going to be hard to be raw vegan while I'm at home, but I leave to be on my own in about a month and a half...then I'll be using my own money for my own food (college - I'm broke right now, though...). I wish I could've gone longer on my cleanse, but that's alright. Making the transition to raw vegan is going to be so exciting! And I can always do another cleanse later :)

Nance

June 29th, 2007, 11:39 PM

Well, I am still hanging on to my lemonade . . . I drank a quart today . . . I had two large glasses of grapefruit/orange juice, fresh sqeezed of course.

Later, one of my roomates and I went to Sam's Club. We got a membership and headed straight to the produce. Wow, the mushrooms! Everything just looks grand and the prices are competitive. . . organic? There was more than I expected.

Well, I grabbed one of those oranges and ATE IT! I confess! Yummy!

Went down to Wild Oats and got more of the tidbits to go raw with: buckwheat groats, quinoa, mung seeds, white miso, 15lb of carrots, and 2 bunches of beets, etc. I will get tahini and Braggs Aminos another time.

So I got home and warmed another bowl of organic verry veggie juice with white miso, shoyu, nutritional yeast, and some of of those amazing spices my friend shared with me. The Vietnamese cinnamon is the Cadillac of cinnamons, let me tell ya! My roomie had her Green Star out, juicing carrots.

I am faithful with the Daily Dophilus. Lost another pound last night . . . really didn't think this would happen. This whole thing must agree with my system. OH, the grapefruit.

soaring89

July 3rd, 2007, 11:37 AM

OK so I am on week two post cleanse...I have NOT been able to use the bathroom since I got off of the cleanse (ended up drinking smooth moves on Friday)...I was concerned about my system becoming dependent on the laxatives when I started the cleanse...anyone else have this issue...how long did it take for your system to get back to normal? I have been eating nothing but fuits veggies nuts and whole grains so I should be "regular"...did I mess up my system forever?

Saralise

July 3rd, 2007, 06:29 PM

Okay everyone, I have a serious question that I need answered before I come off this cleanse.

Where do I buy the machines I need, and what do I buy for RAW Food Preparation? I want to be prepared, and not slip back to massive cooked food cravings because I don't have a plan!

ARGH~

mtmouse

July 3rd, 2007, 06:40 PM

Be sure to read the One Month Raw Challenge thread. Start from the beginning. We have lots of talk about the various devices for a raw lifestyle--budget or bankrupt, LOL.

And definitely look all through the Lemonhead Recipe Box thread, as sometimes that devolves into discussion, too.

Welcome and good eating!

Nance

July 4th, 2007, 05:30 AM

WooHoo! I am beginning postMC Day 7. I am so grateful for the discipline the MC has produced not to go out and binge. Much of the time looking at BMC (Before Master Cleanse) food is tantalizing at first then, I think how sick it would make me if I indulged now, and how much more satisfying the new way is.

I've found that having 'training wheels' - writing out a menu no matter how simple - has helped tremendously. Afterall, I had a simple menu that Stanley wrote for me on the MC :) As I transition out of this thread into the Raw Food Challenge, I put my 'recipes' there. Oh, what a helpful BB this is!

I have generally been doing the grapefruit/orange juice combo in the morning, and introduced a tomato based soup in the early eve. Lots a water and dophilus. Oh, my splurge is a few dates for 'dessert'.

Yesterday, I started veggie juice with a carrot, beet, ginger combo. Yum, and very satisfying. I have a job making and installing signs, and yesterday was an outdoor day, in the sun and humidity, on ladders, the most labor like that I have done since the cleanse. Though I was dragging at times, it felt great to make it through. This is one of those experiences that will cause the '3 square meat and potatoes meals a day myth' to bite the dust as I go for the 30 day raw food challenge after the 7th. (Anyone care to join in over on that thread?:) )

I did drank the rest of my soup from the day before in the afternoon, which was not on my food schedule, but my energy output was triple what it usually is. (Now you can tell I didn't exercise in the MC.) More water and exercise are the next points of accountability!

Another CHEER of encouragement to those of you who have made it through your MC! :D :D :D

mtmouse

July 4th, 2007, 02:36 PM

Yay Nance!

You're doing so great! I was going to post in the 30-day thread, but I'm not really doing 100% raw right now, and since you and some others are going to be, I thought it would be best for me to keep my story somewhere else! :)

Anyway, much to my dismay I did some serious overeating the past couple of days. We had guests Monday afternoon and overnight. I fed them all raw snacks in the afternoon, but cooked salmon and rice and green beans in addition to a salad and raw dessert. I managed to avoid the rice but did have some of the beans and a little salmon.

Then the next day I had a little omelet in addition to a delicious smoothie. And then that night I had a little cooked lamb. I don't have a real problem with the small amount of cooked stuff; I choose it carefully and keep the quantities down. But during the day I was really feeling the need to eat. Luckily, what I scarfed were raw sugar snap peas, watermelon, nori rolls, and raw crackers. But I didn't like the compulsive feeling much!

Anyway, my weight this morning was up only half a pound, and still down 3 from my final cleanse weight (down 9 from pre-cleanse weight), and today all the desire to overeat seems to have passed, so I'm breathing a cautious sigh of relief and sticking to raw and smaller quantities again.

Eating is definitely much harder than cleansing, LOL!

Jennfoo

July 4th, 2007, 07:58 PM

But, but... I didn't eat 8 pounds worth of food on Sunday! :( Though I did drink lots of fluids. But, and, uh, uh... stuff's definitely already come out.

Clothes: not fitting so well in the ass/waist. LOTS of bloat/gas. :(

Wah! What is WRONG with me! :(

I need some advice or help super bad! I'm 3 weeks off my first MC. It was hard but my boyfriend and I did it. (yay) I have been veggy for 3 years. I came off the MC like I was supposed to. Everything seemed fine for the first week. Then the last two weeks I've been severely bloated after every meal. I mean like lower abdomen distended like I'm pregnant or something. I increased my water in take by double. I've tried trial and error with many different foods. After the cleanse I def. eat more raw and have cut out caffeine completely. I've always been lactose intolerant so dairy has always been next to nill in my diet. I'm a very active person. I run 4 times a week and bike on a track bike everywhere I go. I also do pilates 3 times a week. I'm used to having a flatter stomach and no retention. I have no idea whats going on. It's very discouraging. It's damaging my confidence in my self-image. I know my diet isn't bad but I'm starting to doubt myself. I've tried lots of herbal remedies like apple cider vinegar and various herbs for indigestion etc. Everything else digestion-wise is moving a long fine. My boyfriend is complaining of some bloat as well but not every meal like mine. The only thing I can do to make it go away is not eat.

Another thing that has gone wacky since the cleanse is my libido. I understood that to be normal during the cleanse. But now 3 weeks after it's still missing. I'm 24. It's not supposed to be missing!

I'm super upset about these things. They've kept me from feeling the benefits of the cleanse. I felt great on it but now I feel like I almost felt better before it. I really don't know what to do. I generally don't believe in western med. that much but I'm about to break down and go to a doctor.

Help.

**Update.

I went to a pharmacy and got some pills for gas and bloating. They were ok but not great the first day. Today was the second day.

My food intake included:

Breakfast: Bowl of Musli with soy milk plus soy yogurt with nuts
Lunch/Snack: nuts and water with some chocolate. I was at a water park all day so I didn't eat lunch. I hardly ever skip it.
Dinner- mxd grns salad w/ couscous, home-made humus, some raw sliced veggies, sauteed asparagus, whole wheat organic peta bread. For dessert a couple squares of chocolate with some raw cherries and some wine.

I ended up throwing up all night. I have no idea whats going on.

Nance

July 4th, 2007, 08:23 PM

Eating is definitely much harder than cleansing, LOL!

You are so right! It sounds like you did really well with your splurge, no Snickers bars, or Rocky Road gallon of ice cream!!:D

It sounds like it came and went . . . how are you feeling?

I went all day with only one small glass of orange juice in the morning, a qt. of veggie juice (spiced for the 4th of July), and a couple bowls of tomato soup with the 'creamed' cashews.

My friend is just coming off his fast. He did 21 days water fast, then 10 days of MC. He actually gained 7 lbs on the MC. He wasn;t trying to loose any weight, so no worries. He made a wonderful drink with kefir and berries and natural ginger beer. I took a little taste and reacted to the kefir, got mucosy, and later constipated.

That is one of the beauties of this cleanse. As we re-introduce foods to our diet, we can more clearly see the ones that we are allergic to.

So MTM keep on keepin' on!

mtmouse

July 4th, 2007, 10:51 PM

It sounds like it came and went . . . how are you feeling?

Not bad at all. The day went well and I stuck to my good foods and much smaller amounts that I am hoping will be my post-cleanse norm. I made Cornbleet's shaved beet salad with a creamy sweet mustard dressing that came (sort of--everyone here knows I never follow a recipe exactly, LOL) with my Vitamix books. I sliced the beet with my spiralizer into thin wafers, The salad was gorgeous and delicious and a nice new treat.

Sounds like you're doing really well too! We'll both keep on keeping on, LOL!

Nance

July 6th, 2007, 12:58 AM

Just a note checking in . . . am hanging in there with juices and soups, only 2 days more. My digestive system has responded so well to the Daily Dophilus, I can highly recommend that to all post MCers.

MT that salad sounds beautiful as well as yummy. I look forward to using the spiralizer, what a concept!

mtmouse

July 6th, 2007, 01:05 AM

Yep, for those on a tight budget, the spiralizer probably makes the cheapest big difference of them all!

:D

JustPlainME

July 8th, 2007, 07:19 PM

Has anyone used Ghee after the cleanse? It is purified butter, yes a dairy product but purified and used extensively in Ayurvedic Medicine/Recipes. Would a tablespoon a day be overly harmful? I know raw vegans use avacado quite a bit for fats as well as nuts, but I am not a nut person, well I am a "NUT" but not fond of eating them only because they are worse than potato chips for me. I was thinking once I get going on food, that if I made lentils on occassion for my cooked meal I would like to use Ghee as a bit of flavoring. Any thoughts on this?

mtmouse

July 8th, 2007, 07:24 PM

JustPlainME,

I think it's your choice. Ghee doesn't really have the "dairy" problem since the lactose has been filtered out for the most part.

It is, however, still an animal product. And it's definitely cooked. So if you wanted to eat vegan or raw it wouldn't be appropriate. But not everyone chooses that route after a cleanse anyway, so it's up to you!

I'd suggest that you wait a few days after the cleanse to introduce it (or any other fatty food, like avocado or nuts), just because you don't want to wake up your digestion and shut it down immediately! :)

JustPlainME

July 9th, 2007, 04:04 AM

Thank you so much mtmouse, I will do as you suggested and wait until I introduce nuts etc. I dont' know if I'd use ghee, just curious.

I think it's your choice. Ghee doesn't really have the "dairy" problem since the lactose has been filtered out for the most part.

It is, however, still an animal product. And it's definitely cooked. So if you wanted to eat vegan or raw it wouldn't be appropriate. But not everyone chooses that route after a cleanse anyway, so it's up to you!

I'd suggest that you wait a few days after the cleanse to introduce it (or any other fatty food, like avocado or nuts), just because you don't want to wake up your digestion and shut it down immediately! :)[/quote]

sunshine13

July 9th, 2007, 09:54 AM

I need some advice or help super bad! I'm 3 weeks off my first MC. It was hard but my boyfriend and I did it. (yay) I have been veggy for 3 years. I came off the MC like I was supposed to. Everything seemed fine for the first week. Then the last two weeks I've been severely bloated after every meal. I mean like lower abdomen distended like I'm pregnant or something. I increased my water in take by double. I've tried trial and error with many different foods. After the cleanse I def. eat more raw and have cut out caffeine completely. I've always been lactose intolerant so dairy has always been next to nill in my diet. I'm a very active person. I run 4 times a week and bike on a track bike everywhere I go. I also do pilates 3 times a week. I'm used to having a flatter stomach and no retention. I have no idea whats going on. It's very discouraging. It's damaging my confidence in my self-image. I know my diet isn't bad but I'm starting to doubt myself. I've tried lots of herbal remedies like apple cider vinegar and various herbs for indigestion etc. Everything else digestion-wise is moving a long fine. My boyfriend is complaining of some bloat as well but not every meal like mine. The only thing I can do to make it go away is not eat.

Another thing that has gone wacky since the cleanse is my libido. I understood that to be normal during the cleanse. But now 3 weeks after it's still missing. I'm 24. It's not supposed to be missing!

I'm super upset about these things. They've kept me from feeling the benefits of the cleanse. I felt great on it but now I feel like I almost felt better before it. I really don't know what to do. I generally don't believe in western med. that much but I'm about to break down and go to a doctor.

Help.

**Update.

I went to a pharmacy and got some pills for gas and bloating. They were ok but not great the first day. Today was the second day.

My food intake included:

Breakfast: Bowl of Musli with soy milk plus soy yogurt with nuts
Lunch/Snack: nuts and water with some chocolate. I was at a water park all day so I didn't eat lunch. I hardly ever skip it.
Dinner- mxd grns salad w/ couscous, home-made humus, some raw sliced veggies, sauteed asparagus, whole wheat organic peta bread. For dessert a couple squares of chocolate with some raw cherries and some wine.

I ended up throwing up all night. I have no idea whats going on.

Jenfoo,

I would like to say that I have been veggy for many years and just reacently realized that I CAN'T digest soy. Soy is really hard to digest and is VERY gassy. Try cutting the soy out and see if the bloating goes away. My body hates it. I LOVE It and it is a great protein, but doesn't work for everyone. ALso, hate to say it but chocolate is also gassy.

Good luck and hope it passes for you :D
Sunshine

ninab64

July 20th, 2007, 11:08 AM

any suggestions where i can purchase a spiralizer? i checked my local Linens 'n Things, and no luck. i have seen them a couple places online, but was hoping for a personal buying recommendation

thanks

Ginger

July 20th, 2007, 03:21 PM

They are hard to find. I'm in a gourmet part of the country and couldn't find one anywhee. I finally ordered it from ebay.

Res

July 26th, 2007, 09:02 PM

The raw gourmet (http://www.rawgourmet.com/saladacco.html)

Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Joyce-Chen-Saladacco-Spiral-Slicer/dp/B0000DDVYE/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3089154-2306534?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1185497570&sr=8-1)

It's so good to see everyone so fired up about all of this. :)

Love,
~Res

kameelean

July 28th, 2007, 01:09 AM

I just finished my cleanse (26days) and I have to say that I was a bit disappointed. I thought I would have eliminated more toxins than I have, but I still wake up with a coated tongue that stays coated most of the day.

Anyway, I have the Burroughs book and it says nothing about soup, only oranges (juiced) for days one and two and the third day, juice in the morning, fruit at lunch and salad in the evening.

The fruit was good but not as great as I thought it would be after not eating for so long. The salad was horrible. I had to eat some raw food snack crackers to get some flavor and satisfaction.

I like gourmet foods, flavor and spice. I don't have a dehydrator or spiral slicer yet, just a cuisinart, juicer and blender.

Does anyone have any salad recipe suggestions? My favs used to be portobello mushrooms with warm goat cheese and walnut salad. Japanese hijiki and Japanese salad with carrot-ginger dressing. Those salads probably have sugar or sweetener (my addiction). If you have some good site suggestions, I'd appreciate that too.

Res

July 28th, 2007, 07:59 PM

If you want to take the time to browse the Lemonhead Recipe box (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101&page=54) there are GREAT salads etc posted there. :)

Keep in mind one or two cleanses won't do it all. The toxins have usually been stored up in the tissue for years and it takes time to get them out. Plus, there are toxins everywhere and we pretty much ingest or breathe them in daily. :o Hence the cleansing up to 4 times a year, suggestion.

Congrats on completing your cleanse and Happy Eating! :D

Love,
~Res

kameelean

July 29th, 2007, 11:45 PM

Res-

Are you referring to the seasonal cleanse?, like during the Summer and Fall equinox, etc? How long do you think each fast should be?

Res

July 30th, 2007, 09:52 AM

Kameelean: I'm referring to cleansing up to 4 times a year on the Master Cleanse. :)

Love,
~Res

alicein1land

July 31st, 2007, 09:15 PM

1st Day Post Cleanse: No problems whatsoever drinking OJ and grapefruit juice, other than I mistakenly bought yellow grapefruit instead of red! Had to add some agave as it was otherwise undrinkable. I thought I would be starving today but I am not. I guess my stomach shrunk because I was able to sip slowly a 1/2 glass of juice at a time throughout the day. Drank plenty of water and walked for ~1 hour as well. :D

Stopped at the store on my way home and bought some fruit and veggies for tomorrow night's soup. Looking forward to that. The other bit of good news is that my BP is staying lower (about 15 points lower), which is excellent! :D I am so thrilled with that! :D :D I will be trying the 30 day raw challenge as well to see if I can continue to lose weight and keep my BP down. :D

mtmouse

July 31st, 2007, 09:18 PM

Excellent, Alice!

I've kept my weight off since my last cleanse. I was hoping I'd be able to drop even lower, but so far that hasn't happened. Still, I'm pleased! I think taking the 30-day raw challenge will help you a lot!

And great news on the BP, too!

All in all, congratulations on a job well done!

alicein1land

July 31st, 2007, 09:37 PM

Thanks, Kathy! I had wanted to go longer on the cleanse, but had a bad 7-8-9 days where I could hardly stand the lemonade and wanted desperately to eat something, anything! Figured I would go the 10 days and then try a slower detox method (raw) for a while before trying another cleanse.

I am hoping that by eliminating breads/sugar/dairy/meat, my BP will continue to drop so I can eventually get off the BP meds. Plus, of course lose more weight! I think that will come w/ continued exercise and eating lots more veggies. :D

alicein1land

August 3rd, 2007, 11:30 AM

OK, I finished my 3 days post-cleanse and today is my first day raw! I have lost 3 lbs since I finished the MC, for a total of 20 lbs! :D Woo hoo! More importantly, my BP has dropped so much that I am afraid to take my meds! :) It was 100/50 this morning, which is really low, and unheard of for me in the last 15 years! :D I do have an appt to see the Dr this afternoon to review my labwork (drawn the day before I started the MC). That should be interesting! :)

Res

August 10th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Good Job Alice!! :D

Controversial and not for the faint of heart. Kidding sort of but I'm fired up over this and would love to discuss it with anyone who read the book - or any of you really.

Has anyone read Kevin Trudeau's book about weight loss? "The Weight Loss Cure". I just finished it and would love to discuss this with any of you. Here's something that I found incredibly interesting;

People in countries other than the U.S. eat breads and pasties but don't gain weight. We're talking UK, France, Germany etc.

A while back a guy from England was here and told me that our bread is crap. I asked him to explain and he couldn't. He just said that our breads and dairy were inferior to that of the U.K. Okay, that's fair since I've never been to the U.K and don't have anything to compare it to.

Next> Trudeau said, "In France people eat bread, cheese, butter, chocolate and drink wine. Everyone is thin. In Italy people eat pizza, pasta, gelato ice cream, bread and tons of fat. Everyone is thin. In Germany people drink beer, eat cake, sausages, bread, butter and potatoes. Everyone is thin. In Asia people eat rice, noodles, fish and drink sake. Everyone is thin. All the diet theories are myths, lies and deceptions. Throughout the world people eat tons of carbs, tons of fat, tons of salt, drink beer, wine and other alchohol, eat ice cream and other deserts, have bread with real butter, yet everyone remains thin. No one is drinking diet soda. No one eats low fat food. No one uses artificial sweetneners. They eat real food-real, full fat milk, cheese, and butter. They eat chicken and other poultry with the skin on! No one drinks light beer- they drink full carb and full calorie beer. Why are people thin in these other countries, eating large quantities of real food on a regular basis? Simple. The food is produced differently than in America. In America for example the food is injected with bovine growth hormone and loaded with antibitoticss and other drugs. The beef is fed genetcially modified, chemically produced gain and ground up dead animals. The beef produced in America is different from the beef produced in othter countries. It's not that beef makes you fat; it's the "chemicals" and growth hormones and drugs put in the American beef taht makes you fat.

The bread in America is loaded with high fructose corn syrup, dextrose, sucrose, or other man-made sweeteners that lower metabolism, increase appetite and make you fat. They also are loaded with chemical preservatives and stablizers which make you fat. In other countries bread is made with flour, water, salt and yeast. It's not that bread makes you fat; it is American bread that makes you fat. Again, the American food supply is being produced and designed to specifically and purposefully to make you fat".

Whew....and that's just the tip of the iceberg. That's nothing compared to what he says about Government and commercially grown food companies AND the medical industry. Now, *if* what he says is true in his book - 100% organic is the way to go.

So I went to the store with my son today and we took a look at the bread at Vons - now we went for the good stuff (supposedly) and found ingredient after ingredient that were preservatives and stabilizers.

THEN: we went to People's Organic Market and read the ingredients on the bread. It was flour, salt, yeast and water. V E R Y I N T E R E S T I N G. Kevin also sings the praises of "cleanses". We are doing good here.

More later or Have at it!

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

August 10th, 2007, 07:52 PM

Res,

First, I've been in those countries, and there are plenty of fat people.

I've also lived in France, and I watched them eat, and they eat all of that stuff, in quantities of "one bite" or so each. I've seen them take a 1" slice of a baguette (maybe 2"x1" in all) and have it last a whole meal. I've seen them put the equivalent of 1/10 tsp of butter on that bread. When they ate sausage, they would have perhaps a 1" piece. Literally. Their servings of dessert are practically thin enough to see through.

All that said, I totally agree with what it sounds like this guy is saying! There's no question that in the rest of the world there is still real food, and real food is very hard to come by in this country!

alicein1land

August 12th, 2007, 12:15 AM

Res: I have to agree with you about going organic and with what Trudeau said about American food. Every thing I have read about the American food supply has made me more determined to eat organic only. Commericially grown produce is nutrient deficient, plus it is loaded w/ pesticides and other chemicals. Commercial dairy is the same, as is the meat. I'm lucky I live in NorCal because there is a lot of organic produce, dairy, and meat available. It's all I buy. :) Yeah, it is more expensive, but I figure I am worth it. I read a study a couple of years ago that looked at the onset of puberty in American girls, and they found that girls now go through puberty several years earlier than they did 30+ years ago. And this was due to the hormones added in meat/poultry. Yuck!

I spent 2 weeks in Italy (mostly Rome) 3 years ago and lost 15 lbs without even trying! The hotel we stayed at had an "American"-style breakfast buffet. I ate Italian bread, Italian cheese, plenty of lattes, and fresh fruit every morning (I avoided the American breakfast cereal). I had a hearty lunch and 3-4 course dinner every night - salad, pasta, meat, and dessert (not dessert every night). Two of the nights we ate at the same restaurant and I had their black truffle lasagna. Dear God, it was fabulous! I had NO problem losing weight. Granted, we walked every day around Rome, but no other exercise. The only fat people I saw were tourists (most likely American!). One of the things that Europeans do more than Americans is walk. They walk to the metro/train/bus, walk to/from their apts to their local grocery store, to/from work, you get the idea. Plus, they eat meals instead of snacks. Americans are always eating/snacking and eat a lot more fast food than Europeans.

One thing that I found while in Rome is that I CAN eat strawberries! They had small but very sweet strawberries that I ate every morning with no problems. I quit eating strawberries 8 years ago because after eating 2 or 3, I would get sick! Nauseous etc. I thought I had developed an allergy to them. After Rome, I realized I wasn't allergic to strawberries, but was sensitive to the pesticides that the berries are exposed to. :) Even if you buy strawberries at a roadside "strawberry stand", those berries are grown w/ pesticides. After every crop, they cover the ground w/ plastic and run pesticides underneath to "fumigate" the soil. The fertilizers they use are all chemicals, and the end product is that you get strawberries that are not nutritionally good for you. :(

Sorry for the long post. :D

Res

August 13th, 2007, 07:19 PM

No worries about the long post. This topic is near and dear to me.

My son worked in the produce section at a grocery store in northern California. Fruit comes in bags and those bags contain gas that ripens the fruit. They were told to open the bag facing away from them so that they wouldn't get exposed to the gas (yeah - right). This crap is happening to our food! They no longer have to tell us that food is irradiated. I remember writing my congressman eons ago about food irradiation. Guess that was a waste of time.

Does this make anyone else mad?

They can also not list preservatives, additives and stablizers to the Ingredient list. The Government approved of this. I mean - I'm so bugged knowing that my childrens food is being manipulated and has been - and I'm just now finding out about it. The thing is, some of what Kevin says has my jaw dropping. I can't imagine that the government, food and drug administration is in cahoots to do this - but "what if?" And what the heck does "food and drug" have to do with each other? Why are these two linked as the FDA? Makes ya wonder huh?

Kathy: I'm not doubting you - you lived in other countries. However my son travelled Europe for 5 weeks - England, Holland, Germany, Prague and other's and he said he never saw a fat person. The portions they serve in countries other than America are small in comparision. He said he was shocked at the amount of money he paid for the food he received - at first. ;) He said by the time he was done eating, he felt just right instead of pushing away from the table sick and too full. It was quite an eye opener for him. So, this goes right along with what Trudeau says about America making us fat to make a profit. Doesn't that just TICK you off!?

He talks a lot about cleanses - and if you think of a car engine and everything being clean and tended to you know that the engine runs better - and it's a dumb analogy because we all know this - but geez it's so simple that it gets by me at times. He lists several cleanses and I'm really apt to do them all. I want to clean my engine but again, mentally I'm not totally prepared for it so I'm waiting until I get the green light.

Steps down off of soapbox

Love to all :)
~Res

ninab64

August 13th, 2007, 08:00 PM

hi res :wave:

if i'm not mistaken, fruits naturally release gases, and when they are in an enclosed area, ie: plastic bag, the gases collect there, and the ripening process is hastened because of that. remember being told how to ripen a piece of fruit quickly -- put it in a paper bag with an apple, and crimp the paper down so the gases are trapped in the bag, the fruit ripens in a day or so -- it's a natural process

don't know what to say as to the other items. i've traveled europe as well, and would have to agree that predominately the few fat people i have seen were the american tourists.

:)

Res

August 14th, 2007, 11:25 AM

Hi Nina:

True, fruits and veggies do ripen when placed in bags. :) What I'm referring to is "gas" purposefully added to a bag of fruit/veggies to hasten the ripening process. This is very real. Washing the fruit helps a bit, but it's absorbed into the fruit so we do ingest it if we eat the fruit. :o

Organic fruit isn't "processed" and it isn't irradiated to last longer on the shelf. My organic apples if not eaten in a timely manner will rot - even in the fridge because it's not preserved. I just threw away Granny Smith Apples that have been in my fridge for over 5 weeks and they "look" perfect. Scary huh? I realize I may sound over-the-edge right about now, but things have happened recently in my family that I attribute to the FDA, hospitals, and goverment and I'm really in a "What if?" state after reading Trudeau's books.

Love,
~Res

MCconvert

August 14th, 2007, 11:28 PM

hey all...haven't been here in a long time and am loving going back and reading and getting inspired to eat well, better, organic, raw....
so i have a question for you experienced cleansers/senior members....i completed my 1st cleanse in april--loved it and plan to do it again regularly, loved and appreciated immensely this bb and support group.... and then three days off the cleanse i....um....got pregnant. my 1st worry is, of course, that i conceived a child three days after the most intense cleanse/toxin release my body has ever experienced--should i be worried that i was only three days post cleanse? here's the other concern--i've been really sick, nauseous, can't find much to eat that sounds good except fruit, so i spend the better part of most days drinking.....lemonade!! it's the only thing that sounds good all the time, that keeps my blood sugar from getting too low, that i don't just barf right back up. i don't think it would have the same cleansing effect, since by about dinner i do manage to gag down some real food every day, but do you think this is okay? any opinions? any advice would be appreciated....till then, i love reading your experiences and thoughts about everything else...you are a great group!

MCconvert

August 14th, 2007, 11:39 PM

jenfoo--
just reading back and wanted to add something--
since the cleanse i've noticed a bigtime sensitivity to anything with gluten---wheat, oat, barley....just makes me feel bloated, in ways i never noticed before....so i've cut back or cut out and feel MUCH better....maybe something you might want to try. good luck!!

chinita145

August 15th, 2007, 08:05 AM

Hi Everyone!

SOS! Please help... I did a 30-day MC (my first one ever) and lost 21.5 lbs. Today is my 5th day after the MC and all I've been eating/drinking is fresh squeezed OJ and veggie soups... Why did I gain 4 lbs back already?

Since I started eating the veggies in the soup I gained .5 one day, .5 the next and 3 lbs when I ate some tofu in the soup...The soup yesterday I did buy at a Thai restaurant, I didn't make it myself.

I do NOT want to gain the weight back. I'm thinking about going back to the MC for a few more days...

PLEASE HELP!

Alicein1land: How did you continue to lose after you stopped the cleanse??? what did you eat?

Thanks for your support

Res

August 15th, 2007, 08:52 AM

should i be worried that i was only three days post cleanse? I don't believe you should be worried. Think about it - people get pregnant all the time in a pre-cleanse state and toxic! You've created a nice environment for your baby to grow in. Congratulations! :)

Funny how you're drawn to lemonade and it doesn't come back up. :) At this point you really can't eat if you're not hungry - but stay hydrated. You'll have an appetite soon enough. Eat well okay?

Love,
~Res

Res

August 15th, 2007, 08:58 AM

Chinita: Welcome to what most of us have gone through. :o

Gaining a few lbs actually makes sense. There's nothing in your colon when you end your cleanse. When you start eating again it takes the body a while (days) to adjust to digesting food again and the colon fills up a bit. That's why it's important to not over-eat (I'm not saying you did, this is in general). We need to work with our bodies so that's the part of the journey that you're currently on. :)

If you haven't eliminated yet, that could be part of it as well.

Love,
~Res

MCconvert

August 15th, 2007, 04:34 PM

thanks! very reassuring....

Tiffany P

August 15th, 2007, 11:16 PM

I am about to start my first cleanse. I finished the book and am very determined to succeed. The raw food diet is new to me and very intriging. I want to be healthier and feel better. I've spent many years feeling sluggish and being tired and I never new why. I plan on reading the recommended book while on the cleanse so I can continue a healthy lifestyle. Can anyone give me info or expirence on the differences they felt on a raw vegetarian diet versus vegan. I want to make a change but I'm not sure I'm ready to give up eggs and fish. Also, any thoguhts on having an occasional alcoholic beverage while on a vegan/vegitarian diet after the cleanse? I realize it's not something you want to put in your body on a regular basis, but how about for special occasions? Would wine be the best thing to drink? Any advice would be great! Thanks!

chinita145

August 16th, 2007, 01:22 AM

Hi Res:

Thanks so much for your help. It does make sense... i just get so scared because I really like the way I've been feeling and I lost a lot of weight and I want to make sure I don't gain it back. But as of right now, everything I eat - even if it's a simple salad bloats me. I can still feel it the next day. I thought of going to the lemonade again for a couple of days just to make sure i don't gain a bunch of weight back.

Also, how soon could I do the MC again? Not that I'm obsessed, but I really liked how I felt.

Thanks for your help!

Chinita: Welcome to what most of us have gone through. :o

Gaining a few lbs actually makes sense. There's nothing in your colon when you end your cleanse. When you start eating again it takes the body a while (days) to adjust to digesting food again and the colon fills up a bit. That's why it's important to not over-eat (I'm not saying you did, this is in general). We need to work with our bodies so that's the part of the journey that you're currently on. :)

If you haven't eliminated yet, that could be part of it as well.

Love,
~Res

fantasi

August 16th, 2007, 12:43 PM

hi everyone!

finally finished my second cleanse on last saturday. i've been doing well. i do my version of green protein shakes in the morning and i'm set on becoming a vegetarian(while trying to add vegan/raw foods where possible). my question to all of you is how can i get more protein. yesterday i had my shake for breakfast, beans and a salad for lunch, and a homemade bean burrito w/cheese(:( ) w/romaine lettuce for dinner. if anybody has more examples and or ideas of how to sneak more protein in my diet...that would be lovely!
cheers
shonda

Res

August 16th, 2007, 04:25 PM

Oh lordy fantasi: You've come to the right place. :) Take a peek in the Lemonhead recipe box and also the 30 days raw challenge threads. There are SO many nut recipes (protein) so you won't be hurtin for protein. Also there's nothing wrong with eating raw cheese if your body adapts to it.

Ever had almond milk? It was once typo'd as "almost milk" and it's SO good! You can use it on raw cereal and in smoothies or just as a treat. :)

chinita: Burroughs states that you can do the cleanse up to 4 times a year. :)

Tiffany: It would take us a year to tell you about all the fun we've had on this wild journey. :) Use the search feature to look for specific threads or topics, or just start at the beginning and read through.

I was all raw for approx 3 months - it was a good experience but there are definitely things that my body needs that aren't raw and that's where I'm at now. I eat organic free range eggs on occasion and wine when needed. :) I don't think it's so much about do's and don'ts but about what works for you. We're each on our own journey but intersecting with each other for stretches of time and then off again. :) One thing I will add that I now believe is of the utmost importance is to buy "organic" and only "organic". I'm just learning but perhaps one of the Guru's can pitch in here and give more insight.

Love,
~Res

fantasi

August 16th, 2007, 06:44 PM

thanks res!

btw, where can i find this "lemonhead" recipe box?

and do you know any info regarding "too much soy" being bad for you?

cheers
shonda

alicein1land

August 17th, 2007, 12:33 PM

MCconvert

August 17th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Hi chinita145: I continued to lose for almost a week after the cleanse. But I was very gassy and bloating and didn't feel well once I started eating solid food (raw fruits and vegies) so I didn't eat much. Once the gastric distress passed and I could eat more, I gained some of the weight back, but have been holding steady since.

I'm currently eating 60-70% raw, w/ some other things (fish, chicken, a little cheese, a little bread) thrown in. I have to agree w/ MCconvert and the gluten, as I did not tolerate the bread well at all! Both my mom and her sister have celiac sprue (gluten intolerance/allergy) and I have wondered if I have a similar problem. I have not been tested, though.

yea, i'm at about the same place--i don't think i have full-blown celiac disease, but i KNOW that eating gluten makes me instantly feel gross physically 1st, then mentally, emotionally.....i keep trying to incorporate it back in (being pregnant and trying desperately to find anything that doesn't make me want to gag) and it just doesn't work for me....that's my reality. but i really like your philosophy, RES--it's not so much about the rules of vegan or raw living, just what feels good for your body, your lifestyle...

Res

August 17th, 2007, 03:17 PM

Shonda the Lemonhead recipe box is here in this forum: Lemonhead Recipe box (http://therawfoodsite.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101&page=54)and it's stickied so you can miss it. :) Look up at the top 3 threads.

Regarding the soy, I have an "opinion about the soy" ;) which probably doesn't go along with a lot of people but read this and you'll see why I steer clear of it. Soy, is it healthy or harmful? (http://www.mercola.com/2004/jan/21/soy.htm)

Why Soy can damage your health (http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.htm)

Hopefully the links will work and you'll be able to view the page. From time to time Mercola has you log in to view the articles but here's an excerpt from the first link:

"If you’re thinking the health claims surrounding soy sound too good to be true you just may be right. Soy has become another misunderstood food category, to be added to the ranks of coconut oil (http://www.mercola.com/2003/sep/13/coconut_oil.htm), saturated fats (http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/17/saturated_fat1.htm) and vegetable oils (http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/1/oil.htm). The two former have gained a negative reputation where a good one actually applies, but vegetable oil, along with soy, have emerged with sparkling reputations that cover up the truth.
For just a brief look at what’s really going on, consider that numerous studies have found that soy products may:

Increase the risk of breast cancer (http://www.mercola.com/2000/aug/20/soy_dangers.htm) in women, brain damage in both men and women, and abnormalities in infants
Contribute to thyroid disorders (http://www.mercola.com/2000/feb/13/soy_thyroid_disease.htm), especially in women
Promote kidney stones (http://www.mercola.com/2001/oct/27/soy_kidney_stones.htm)
Weaken the immune system (http://www.mercola.com/2002/jun/8/soy.htm)
Cause severe, potentially fatal food allergies (http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/soy_can_cause_allergic_reaction.htm)Soy products also contain:

Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) genistein and daidzein, which mimic and sometimes block the hormone estrogen
Phytates, which block the body's uptake of minerals
Enzyme Inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion
Haemaggluttin, which causes red blood cells to clump together and inhibits oxygen take-up and growthFurther, most soybeans are grown on farms that use toxic pesticides and herbicides, and many are from genetically engineered plants. When you consider that two-thirds of all manufactured food products contain some form of soy, it becomes clear just how many Americans are consuming GM products, whose long-term effects are completely unknown.
Perhaps the most disturbing of soy’s ill effects on health has to do with its phytoestrogens that can mimic the effects of the female hormone estrogen. These phytoestrogens have been found to have adverse effects on various human tissues, and drinking even two glasses of soy milk daily for one month has enough of the chemical to alter a woman’s menstrual cycle. The FDA regulates estrogen-containing products, however no warnings exist on soy. Two senior toxicologists with the FDA. Daniel Sheehan and Daniel Doerge, have even come out saying "The public will be put at potential risk from soy isoflavones in soy protein isolate without adequate warning and information." Soy is particularly problematic for infants, and soy infant formulas should be avoided (http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/26/soy_formula.htm). It has been estimated that infants who are fed soy formula exclusively receive five birth control pills worth of estrogen every day."

MCconvert: I'm the same way with grains - I eat a little and blow up like a balloon. But because of a book I just voraciously read I believe it's "Non-Organic" grains that are affecting me this way. Even whole wheat, rye, etc that's commercially grown is still chalked full of pesticides and whatever crap they add to the soil that isn't "organic". I never really understood "organic" until now and I'm still just a beginner to it all.

I remember being diagnosed with Hypothyroidism and told that it's because of chemicals. I was thinking "Windex"! and not all the chemicals we're exposed to on a daily basis which look innocent. Any air fresheners that you use are Chemicals - unless you're using orange/lemon/grapefruit rinds from organic produce to freshen your home. You name it and just about everything has chemicals - even your toilet paper and paper towels. Think of dry cleaning and how some clothing demands this because it would die if you washed it with water. Well they got you again because now you're wearing chemicals. :o

I could go on and on - really I'm on this kick now and slowly ridding my home of "chemicals". I have switched dishwashing liquids, getting rid of scented candles (which burn continuously in my home) getting rid of laundry detergent and lotions and cleaning products OH MY! ;)

Have to get back to work. Hang in there and buy and eat Organic! :)

Love,
~Res

alicein1land

August 17th, 2007, 03:24 PM

fantasi

August 17th, 2007, 04:26 PM

thanks res! you're Awesome. 8)
cheers
shonda

MCconvert

August 20th, 2007, 06:29 PM

MCconvert: If you feel you need bread in your diet, try making a gluten-free version. When my mom was diagnosed 8 years ago, we got her a bread machine for $60 at Macys, and got several gluten-free cook books. I experimented w/ some bread recipes and was able to make a very good-tasting GF bread. However, now Bob's Red Mill has a Gluten-Free Bread mix that has all the dry ingredients included and you just add the liquids (eggs, milk, some butter). I've had it and it is quite excellent! :D

Good luck! :)
thanks for the ideas--i do miss bread a LOT and keep trying to eat it again and again, hoping that "maybe this time it won't make me miserable"......never happens.....so thanks for the ideas! i have a breadmaker--i'll have to try the bob's red mill....already love his stuff!
Res--you're a trooper!! i admire your efforts to be chemical free--and loved your entry about trudeau's book a while back, would love to read it cause everything i hear about it makes lots of sense.

chinita145

August 21st, 2007, 12:00 AM

Hi chinita145: I continued to lose for almost a week after the cleanse. But I was very gassy and bloating and didn't feel well once I started eating solid food (raw fruits and vegies) so I didn't eat much. Once the gastric distress passed and I could eat more, I gained some of the weight back, but have been holding steady since.

I'm currently eating 60-70% raw, w/ some other things (fish, chicken, a little cheese, a little bread) thrown in. I have to agree w/ MCconvert and the gluten, as I did not tolerate the bread well at all! Both my mom and her sister have celiac sprue (gluten intolerance/allergy) and I have wondered if I have a similar problem. I have not been tested, though.

Hi Alicein1land:

Just wanted to give you an update...I'm down to the weight I was when I stopped the cleanse. I did the MC for 30 days, lost 21 lbs and have been eating solids for 11 days. I ventured into cooked stuff on the 3-5 days (only veggies and grilled salmon one day) but my stomach was not happy. I had to do the SWF the following day... I've been on raw veggies and orange juice since day 6... I'm feeling much better! I'm also taking digestive enzymes.

:)

Res

August 21st, 2007, 09:59 AM

Morning :) Just checking in. On Thursday I Officially will not be allowed here (starting a cleanse) but I'm sure this section will be my favorite during that time. lol :)

Besides the amazing things that the cleanse does physically, it really sorts me out mentally. Since I can't just eat whatever during the cleanse - I have to take a step back to see the full picture which allows me to "plan" for coming off the cleanse. I love that! :) And, I need sorting out again.

I mostly loved being raw for about 3 months- however one annoying aspect never seemed to resolve itself - and as I started to add a small amount of cooked food the problem went away. Then family issues came up and I found myself in places where there wasn't anything raw to choose from and eventually started eating half cooked half raw (which isn't that bad to me) but I need a jump start to get back to where I want to be. Ahh, life. ;)

McConvert: Don't read Trudeau's book if you want to remain sane!! :o I just threw away a whole container of lotion because it contained a "known cancer causing agent". My son chucked his too (a really expensive mens brand of lotion) because it had 4 of the 8 toxic ingredients on Trudeau's list. I've only just begun. It's shocking really to realize that this stuff is allowed in products that you use on your skin, hair, teeth etc!

Here's a biggie and this is a FACT: Aluminum causes Alzheimers disease. Most deodorant has "Aluminim chlorhydrate" which causes Alzheimers disease (and other problems) and you put it right next to your lymph nodes!!! (my old deodorant is in the trash and I use this space age looking think called "the rock" which is made from mineral salts.)

Reading Trudeau's book sounds a lot like "Conspiracy Theory" because it involves the FDA, our Governent and Health Care Industry. At first my thoughts were split thinking Trudeau was a bit paranoid but the more I read the more I kept thinking "Ok this is over the edge but WHAT IF?". Well, I'm more aligned with him now because I feel like my eyes are even more open (and it's horrible!) and I'm responsible for what I know. In this way, I can't continue to live knowing that I'm harming myself and anyone who comes into my home because of all the "CHEMICALS" in my house.

I'm not sure how old you are, but do you remember your Mother cleaning with water and vinegar? I do. Everything was squeaky clean when I was growing up. The vinegar was diluted enough that it wasn't offensive. I'm back to that and a product I found and researched at the health food store. You even have to be careful at the health food store because everything sold there ISN'T healthy! Like Kettle Chips! lol

Wow, I did it again....sorry.

Steps down from soapbox

I hope you all have a fantastic day today. And don't ya just love this place? http://www.websmileys.com/sm/love/1273.gif *sigh*

Love,
~Res

mochigirl

August 21st, 2007, 11:48 AM

Hi all,

I'm so happy the board has this section. After my last MC (10 days), I started looking into the raw lifestyle and I am striving to start slow (one meal a day raw; so far so good, with smoothies most days for b'fast and salads for lunch and/or dinner plus raw cashews, dates, and fruit; weekends are a little different tho...some brunch foods--eggs, toast--and the occasional ice cream or cookie, but I think within moderation still) and have maybe 25% of my diet raw to start and building from there.

I love salads and already am a big eater of them, but focusing on RAW foods and getting more and more raw foods into my diet keeps me focused on the life-affirming, health-supporting vibes from the Master Cleanser. I will certainly do more MCs and I think that my diet will improve with each one.

I have done 3 previous MCs, but they were "different." I've always had a decent diet, but I also had no problem with occasionally having processed flour, sugar, sweet treats, chips...all that crap processed SAD (Standard American Diet) food. Not to mention that everything we eat, practically, is COOKED. When you want a non-cooked option, especially say, at the mall food court, you have to search high and low. Let's not even get into "salad dressings" with High Fructose Corn Syurp. Yuck! Can they stop putting that stuff into practically everything?

Anyway, the past three MCs didn't quite put me into this place of really wanting to reform my eating habits, nay, my lifestyle. I've been into organic for several years, whole grain and local production when possible, and haven't eaten beef, pork, lamb or any four-legged animal for at least 18 years, but I still eat fish & chicken on occasion. Over the years my intake of veggies and salads has gone up, but the raw food lifestyle is so deep with creative and tasty ways to get your nutrients from these unaltered, perfect-as-they-come-out-of-the-ground foods! The cleanliness and aliveness of the diet really inspires me.

I have a ton of catch up reading to do, but were it not for this site, I probably would not have become as interested in raw fooding as I have become. Perhaps that is what differentiates my previous three MCs from the one I just did: I didn't have this amazing community offering advice, support, insight, and solutions!

Thank you all and I'm really excited to keep learning and growing clean & green inside!

TeePee

August 22nd, 2007, 11:23 AM

mochigirl,

CONGRATS on finishing another cleanse and working toward a healthy life. This is definitely the place to be to learn, grow and share!! Also check out the 30 Day Raw Challenge board, as several of us on there are all raw!!

Good luck and keep going!!!

alicein1land

August 22nd, 2007, 04:40 PM

Hi chinita145: Congrats on your weightloss! I lost 22 lbs in 14 days (10 MC + 4 postMC). I then gained about 5 back, but lost 4 of them, so net loss of 21 lbs, and holding steady! :)

Overall, I am eating much better, about 50-60% raw, w/ the rest mostly cooked veggies (love corn on the cob!), and occas. bread/rice + chicken/fish/tofu.

weezhr

August 23rd, 2007, 07:18 PM

Hello,

I am on day 6 after a 19 day cleanse. No weight of the 15 lbs. has come back on, hallelujah! in fact, I am continueing to loose at a more slower rate. I have been eating mostly raw, though I love the cooked vegetable soup with brown rice and lugumes. I am enjoying having that in the fridge and ready to eat. I have made 2 batches, yum. I was also worried about getting the bowels moving again, so I include a couple of rye/bran wafers a day with almond butter. I feel like I am getting a little bit of bread that I so enjoy. Rice crackers are also on hand in case I crave the crackers.

Other than that, I love the raw cereal that Res put in the LemonHead Recipe Box and I have been eating salads and cut up raw veggies as chips and munchies. I am getting most everything organic that is in a decent price range. I have scrapped the juicer and just put in the entire lemon, orange or fruit in the blender to get the whole food benefits. (peeled of course)

My blood pressure has dropped from the 110-120 systolic and 80 diastolic from before the MC to around 90/58. I had to quit the cleanse on day 19 due to my BP going even lower, but it is holding steady now.

I have continued the cayenne as it is a huge help with the allergies. It is just getting into the worst season for me. I was hoping to feel better after the cleanse, but I guess I could be worse.

I feel great and I am happy to be here.

Have a great day!

Sincerely,
Weezhr:)

Res, I wish you the best on your MC that began today!:D

dc2837998

August 23rd, 2007, 09:51 PM

Here's a biggie and this is a FACT: Aluminum causes Alzheimers disease. Most deodorant has "Aluminim chlorhydrate" which causes Alzheimers disease (and other problems) and you put it right next to your lymph nodes!!! (my old deodorant is in the trash and I use this space age looking think called "the rock" which is made from mineral salts.)

The "rock" didnt work for me...what I ended up using < for 10 years now > is Lavilin. Its Hypo-allergenic, alcohol & aluminum free. Heck, one application eliminates perspiration oder for up to 7 days. No need to re-apply after bathing, exercise or strenuous activity <~~~ I NEEDED that because at one time I was into body building. AND there is no problems with my lymph nodes. :)

mtmouse

August 24th, 2007, 01:26 AM

I LOVE Lavilin!

I started using it in 2000. At the beginning I applied it once a week or so, then at longer intervals. (I would wait until I started smelling myself again, LOL.)

Then around 2003-4 I went several months without any odor. And since October 2004 I've needed to apply it only three times. I've got a friend who had roughly the same experience, though her intervals were longer from the beginning; I don't think she ever had to apply it more often than every three weeks. And now, like me, she rarely has to use it at all.

I couldn't imagine using anything else--and I hardly have to use it at all!

dc2837998

August 24th, 2007, 05:19 AM

I used to have to use it about every 3 days ~ my heathen meat eating ways ~ and at $13.99 from my health food store, it gets kinda expensive...come to think of it, thats another + for this program...no meat, no fat, no smell...:)

ninab64

August 24th, 2007, 12:15 PM

oooo, never heard of that. where do you find it? does it help with the perspiration stains too? that's been a problem with me and light colored shirts. this stuff would be a blessing if it worked for me like that. i've been using Secret Clinical Strength, it's working pretty well, but not perfectly

Res

August 24th, 2007, 01:05 PM

weezhr: I just LOVE hearing what happens to people after the cleanse. I love your way of eating and the fact that you continued with the cayenne! Cayenne actually has more Vitamin C than citrus fruit and helps with SO many other things! I get inspired reading these things. :)

Thanks for the "cleanse well wishes". :) We're really glad you're here! :D

DC, I've never heard of lavilin but I'll definitely check it out. Thanks for sharing that bit of info. It certainly sounds interesting. :) However I have to make my way through this rock first and that will take up to a year! :)

nina: I just ran this through pricescan.com and found it for $10.00. Check it out. Lavilin (http://www.vitaminlife.com/category.php?brand_id=519&gclid=CInd28bNjo4CFRFoYAodbB922w) You might be able to find it cheaper.

Love,

~Res

ninab64

August 24th, 2007, 01:24 PM

res, i tried the rock a few years back, it didn't help me. of course, if i need products like Secret Clinical Strength or Be Dry, normal antiperspirants won't cut it.

will have to see where i can buy it locally. probably Whole Foods, anyway

i had noticed a better smell after the cleanse, too. a nice side effect :)

mochigirl

August 24th, 2007, 01:40 PM

weezhr: what a great post! how very inspirational! i'm really getting into the raw food thing too. today it's 1:30pm and everything I've eaten so far today has been raw (I'm not on the 30 day raw challenge yet so these little milestones feel very good to me).

I've heard one of the benefits of a raw food lifestyle enjoyed most by its adherents is that awesome light feeling. The body/mind just feels so light and nimble. I've heard this effect can happen in as little as 3 days eating raw.

Res: best of luck on your MC and thanks for all the incredible information you share here.

I'm also going to check out that Lavilin. I tried the rock once; it didn't work for me (I sweat a lot!).

dc2837998

August 24th, 2007, 03:52 PM

Unfortunately their flat rate shipping is $5.95. But thanks for the website I didnt know about that one !:)

mtmouse

August 24th, 2007, 05:20 PM

res, i tried the rock a few years back, it didn't help me. of course, if i need products like Secret Clinical Strength or Be Dry, normal antiperspirants won't cut it.

Nina,

Lavilin is definitely not an antiperspirant. It will stop the smell (on you and on your clothes), but it won't stop the sweat (which is actually much healthier for you).

weezhr

August 24th, 2007, 05:53 PM

Thanks Res and Mochagirl for the encouragement!

Great job Mochagirl for going raw today. I got stuck with a spaghetti squash, I thought it might be fun, but I could not find a way to eat it raw. I just cooked it for 45 minutes in the oven to heat it enough so that I could shred it. Then I had a mostly raw spaghetti sauce to put on it. It is pretty good.

My daughter who is 7 is trying everything mommy is making. She is concerned about her health and weight, though she is a string bean. She wants to be healthy.

I just received some raw food books and cookbooks I am anxious to read. What do you all do about rice? Sushi rolls with raw veggies and rice vinegar can be very yummy.

**************

I don't know if my heritage has anything to do with it, but the underarm rock did not work for me. I have terrible B.O. If I use deoderant only, I have to keep reaplying it throughout the day. I will have to pay attention to see if the cleanse helped with BO.

Have a great day!!

Sincerely,

Weezhr:)

Res

August 24th, 2007, 11:26 PM

dc: Picking up the Lavilin at a health food store seems like the way to go then. I like to shop online here iherb.com (http://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1&kw=lavilin). If you click the link it will take you directly to their Lavilin page. It's $13.66 + $1.50 for shipping so that's not too bad.

mochigirl: All raw isn't for everyone. Just the fact that you're upping your raw intake is GREAT! :) When I'm done with this cleanse I'm going to transition back to all raw again for a while and just see how it goes. My only complaint was (gas). :o Yeah, it went on for the duration of eating all raw. I cut out cauliflower, broccoli etc to no avail. Even the dog gave ME looks - that was a switch! ;)

nina: So far the rock is actually working for me. But I'm certainly interested in the Lavilin for my family. I just love learning all this stuff! :)

weezhr: Rice isn't considered raw by raw foodists so I'm pretty sure it's avoided. I don't remember where this is posted but mtmouse will know. It's a link for a raw food site. She shows how to make Raw Nori rolls and they're DELICIOUS! I've made them probably 6 times or more. Mmm, so good. :) They're kind of sloppy (mine were) when I wrapped them the night before and took them to work - but I didn't care. Yum. :)

There's so much fantastic raw food. You can eat any amount any time you're hungry and as long as you minimize the nuts you can maintain your weight or lose some. (actually I gained about 4 lbs but I think I went a little overboard on the nuts). Which raw food books did you get?

Love,
~Res

weezhr

August 25th, 2007, 01:20 AM

Hi Res,

I bought Raw Foods For Busy People by Jordan Maerin, 12 steps to Raw Foods by Victoria Boutenko, Green For Life by Victoria Boutenko, Raw Food Real World by Matthew Kenney and Sarma Melngailis, and Eating without Heating by Sergei and Valya Boutenko. I think it will be a good start. I have a lot to learn and I feel a little bit overwhelmed, but I will take it one day at a time.

So, rice is out for the raw food diet. Well, I can try it. I would love to have some good recepie's for Nori rolls. I will even look them up now that I know what they are called. Nori must be seaweed then? Mtmouse if you read this, please direct me in the right direction. Thanks.

O.K. -- Here is a problem-- I ate out for the first time in 27 days and I had a spinach salad with Balsamic Vinaigrette dressing. I didn't think that the blue cheese crumbles would be a problem. I had a bit of melted cheddar cheese on my eggs the other day. After I ate that salad and still 6 hours later I am bloated, gassy and have intestinal pain. :eek: When do I salt water flush to get rid of the crap in my system?????? Is there any way to find releif? Thanks for any responses.

Sincerely,

Weezhr:(

mtmouse

August 25th, 2007, 01:51 AM

Weezhr,

Here's the link to Ani Phyo's site. Scroll down for the nori roll recipe plus a video to go with it.

http://www.aniphyo.com/

They're yummy! (As are all her recipes.)

weezhr

August 25th, 2007, 09:11 AM

Thanks Mtmouse for the link. I am amazed at this information age where there is so much information at our fingertips. I can't wait to try some of the recipes.

O.K. My body took care of the bloating. :p I just had to suffer a little while. I hope I don't have to go through that again. It had to have been the cheese as my allergies have been unbearable. I am drinking Breathe Easy Tea with the maximum amount of a wildcrafted tincure for allergies to find some relief.

I have been up since 4:30 AM and reading Green for Life. Wow am I being inspired! I had no idea that our bodies could get so much protein from greens. This is quite the paradigm shift for me. I am excitedly anticipating a chance to feel even more wonderful and have my body be healthy and whole. And what about that of my family?

I am a little concerned about giving up meat. I have a huge freezer stocked with steak and roasts. Before the cleanse I thought I got a great deal from a meat dealer in buying 2 boxes of meat for the price of less than one. Who knew I would contemplate swinging to the side of a raw diet?

:confused: For anyone out there who has done the raw food challenge or switched to a raw food diet..... is it cheaper, more expensive, or about the same?

:confused: What do you prepare for company? I can hear my brother-in-law-now...."I don't want to go over there, they have no food. I am not a rabbit."

We are going to go camping today, so I will have time to read more and ponder this possible transition.

Have a great day!

Sincerely,

Weezhr:)

mtmouse

August 25th, 2007, 09:57 AM

I was like you, with a freezer full of meat.

But I didn't go 100% raw (I have a small amount of meat perhaps twice a week), and DH still eats meat, so I'm using the freezer stuff up slowly.

As to guests, it depends who they are. The other day we had relatives over who aren't particularly culinarily adventuresome, so I took out a large frozen roast and used it up!

But with other friends, I simply prepare an all-raw meal. It's fun and they've always all enjoyed it.

Even if you want to go 100% raw for yourself, it's not that hard to cook something for others and not eat it. After all, most of us do that all the time on the cleanse! :)

smartcookie

August 28th, 2007, 07:03 PM

I am Day 1 post-cleanse. I had to supplement with lemonade because the OJ just isn't enough to get me through the day. I've had about 24oz of OJ so far and everything is fine.

I went to whole foods to buy the stuff to make soup and I think I am going to prepare all the veggies tonight and throw it in the crockpot and let it cook while I am at work.

Last year when I did the cleanse and made the soup, it wasn't very good. I ate it and was very happy to eat it, but I think i could do a lot better. I got several recipes from this site and found another on a different website and will try it out. If it's good, I'll post it.:confused:

I was dying to eat food today-just dying to eat it but am working on my patience. thank goodness I am too afraid to deviate from the diet because I don't want to be uncomfortable. Fear of the unknown can be powerful AND useful.

kimberlyh

August 29th, 2007, 05:16 PM

I'm quite new to raw eating, and have found the most difficult thing is knowing how to handle the produce! I have a million question like:
Which of these needs to be stored in the fridge, or can be left out on the counter: Squash, tomatoes, cucumbers, green onions, rutabagas, beets, carrots, celery, avocados, apples, mangos, pears, bananas, lemons, oranges. If it needs to be in the fridge, do you put it in plastic baggies, glass containers only, or just lay them in the veggie bin?
Also, with things left out on the counter, do you need to keep certain things separate? (ie can I have my tomoatoes and apples sitting on the same platter?)

And a question specifically about avocados... Since I'm from Minnesota, I obviously can't get real fresh avocados. I buy them by the bag in our organic section, and sometimes they're already almost brown when I cut them open. Does this mean they are spoiled, or just quite overripe? How can I tell? Also, with organic tomatoes from my friends... it doesn't take long and they get "bad spots" on them... can I just cut around that and use the rest of the luscious looking tomato?

This is a really important question to me. It's making "eating raw" very challenging because I don't want to waste produce by having it go bad sitting out, and I don't have a ton of room in my fridge! :)

Thanks again!

paddykean

September 4th, 2007, 11:21 PM

What is veggie broth and raw veggie soup?

Is there a list of raw foods?

What are sprouts and why not use whatever their form was?

I'm at day 8 and don't have a handle on what to eat after the MC.

alicein1land

September 5th, 2007, 11:22 AM

kimberlyh: I keep tomatoes and most fruits (except berries and grapes) out of the fridge. I wash them and then pute them in a large ceramic baking dish that I use to store fruits. Veggies like celery, green onions, carrots etc I put in the fridge. I put most of them in the veggie bins that I have lined w/ a paper towel. I try not to keep stuff in plastic bags as it isn't good to store your produce in them.

Avocados are a hard one. I always cut out the brown spots, and if it is mostly brown, I throw it away. Since it seems like your avocados are already fairly ripe, you might want to store them in the fridge. Another thing, try not to buy more than you need for 3-4 days, because the freshness fades. I do go to the store several times a week so I can get the freshest produce. I try not to buy lots of anything because it too often goes bad before I have a chance to eat it. Any organic fruit or vegetable that has spots you can cut them off and eat the rest. Good luck! :D

paddykean: Veggie broth is the liquid maded from cooking a bunch of veggies in water. Raw veggie soup is a raw, uncooked soup in which the veggies are usually pureed or chopped and eaten at room temp.

Raw foods are any whole, live foods that have not been processed, cooked, heat-treated, gassed or had anything done to it (although they can be dried or dehydrated). Sprouts are grown from seeds and grains that have been soaked in water. Check out the recipe box on this site for some excellent and tasty recipes, as well as the list of recommended raw uncookbooks! Good luck!

paddykean

September 5th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Thanks for the reply. I want to go 100% raw diet. I'm going to need to research hows and whys of sprouting and what can be sprouted. I don't see anything about tomato juice. Is V-8 Juice and orange juice from the store considered raw? Is tomato juice ok to break my fast with? So many questions from my wife about things like tofu and wheat. She's not going with me on this venture....yet.

cd2318

September 5th, 2007, 03:38 PM

I am on my first post-cleanse day, first MC, and I was wondering if those who have done it already - when you go back to chewing food again, can you eat as much as you did before? It seems like my stomach must have shrunk somewhat, as 1 glass of lemonade holds me easily for 2 hours. Thanks! :D

Res

September 5th, 2007, 04:22 PM

Boy that's a loaded question! LOL! ;)

On the 30 day raw challenge, I ate all day long... this was after coming off a 25 day cleanse. I gained 4 lbs and stayed that way for 3 months. If you veer from raw foods and continue to eat as much, you'll gain weight. It's weird.

Hope that helps. :)

alicein1land

September 5th, 2007, 05:33 PM

cd2318: I noticed that I ate less and that it didn't take much to fill me up. Things that I used to eat in 1 sitting I now would take 2-3 days or longer. That's a good thing, cuz it cuts down on the grocery bill! :D

mtmouse

September 5th, 2007, 10:53 PM

Paddykean,

Nothing in a can or a jar or a bottle is raw. It all has to be heated to be sealed inside there.

If you get fresh tomato or fruit juice at a juice bar, or if you squeeze it yourself, that's raw.

I don't think tomato juice, in any form, is recommended for breaking your cleanse. However, I'm not sure about that.

And once you're back to eating, I hope you realize there's no rule that you have to be 100% raw immediately and forever. :) That's a choice for you to make, and you might end up sneaking up to it slowly. In this forum, both TeePee and Sim did a cleanse, immediately went all raw, and never looked back. But most of the rest of us are somewhere else on the spectrum. So it certainly doesn't have to be all-or-nothing.

I will say, though, that for me I notice again and again how good I feel when I'm eating all raw, and how not-so-good I feel when I have my "moments". :p

paddykean

September 6th, 2007, 04:28 PM

Thanks for the answers. I did forget one concerning the morning fast break. Having consumed the lemon drinks today, day 10, should I do the tea tonight and salt water rinse in the morning as a final cleanse?

Res

September 6th, 2007, 09:10 PM

paddy: Nope, you don't have to. :)

alicein1land

September 7th, 2007, 11:45 AM

paddykean: It is optional. Some folks do both, some do only the tea at night, and some do neither. It's up to you. You definitely want your bowels to get working on their own and back to normal as soon as possible, which is the main argument against doing the SWF on the 1st post-cleanse day. I did both after my first cleanse and found it took me 4 days before I had a BM! I plan to not SWF this time around. Best of luck! :D

chinita145

September 11th, 2007, 07:31 PM

Hi Everyone:

Today is a month since I went off my 30-day cleanse. I'd like to share with everyone that I'm really liking how I've changed my life. After the cleanse:

-I've stayed pretty much 90% raw (easy to do with veggie and fruit juices)
-My stomach shrunk and I only eat a meal once a day, which is usually something raw. Then during the day, I drink fresh organic green and fruit juices
-I'm almost never hungry and I don't crave anything. If I do, it's usually yummy juices (believe it or not)
-I don't eat after 6pm, and if I do I drink juice
-I lost 21 lbs on my 30 day cleanse and I've lost 6.5 more since then!
-I continue to feel amazing, like I've never felt before. Have lots of energy!
-I continue with hot yoga about 3x a week

I'm really thankful to God (I've been praying for years - I was tired of being overweight, tired and unhealthy all my life) for being able to stick to the MC! Friends of mine have tried to do it and they have not lasted longer than 9 days! Most of them have not lasted longer than 4 days.

And thank you for the support. It has been great having somewhere to go to for advice...

Good luck to you all!

Res

September 11th, 2007, 07:45 PM

Wow Chinita! http://www.kurts-smilies.de/dance.gif Thanks for the update and for checking in with us. :D

Stay in touch and let us know how you are. :)

Love,
~Res

themama

September 11th, 2007, 07:58 PM

HI. I am on Day 1 post-cleanse from my first MC. Feeling great. I went into the September string out of habit, but thought I should shift over here,as the issues are different.

What do folks do about water on an on-going basis? Is a filter on the tap enough or am I going to have to get a absopure service going? :confused:

Does anyone do the green smoothies? Are they really okay or an acquired taste?

Res

September 11th, 2007, 08:23 PM

LOL, Hi themama:

The green smoothies are good actually - I just have an ongoing banter with mtmouse about it though :). You have to make it correctly. My first few turned out like foamy green spackle - and tasted about the same. ;) I posted a green smoothie recipe in the Lemonhead recipe box (also in this forum) from Peter's newsletter.

As far as a water filter goes, it may depend on where you live. Where I live that's a "yes" although I haven't purchased one yet. I'm still in the research stages. I drink a lot of water - it's bottled spring water but just found out some bad news about the plastic, so that's why I'm switching to a filter.

I hope that helps. :)

Love,
~Res

mtmouse

September 11th, 2007, 09:29 PM

Ha-ha. Most of that banter is in the Green Smoothies thread, which you'll find a few threads below this one in the "Raw Food Lifestyle" forum. It isn't that long, and I think you'll get lots of good information from it (especially after I joined and told Res what for! :D :D :D :D

themama

September 12th, 2007, 05:37 AM

Okay, gurus. Here's a question. I am just starting day 2 post-cleanse (MC1/10). Yesterday and today I have had a sore throat that makes it painful to swallow and to spit out those great gobs of white guck that are still forming (but in less quantity). Could I still be detoxing or am I just getting sick?

Res

September 12th, 2007, 10:28 AM

You could absolutely still be detoxing. You could experience this for up to a week post cleanse, or longer if you are eating clean food. Hang in there! :)

Keep us posted on how you're feeling.

Love,
~Res

pwillerton

September 12th, 2007, 03:23 PM

Looking for a reputable source to purchace Spirulina online. Anyone have any experience in doing so? Or any recomendations?

Thank you

sokerfreak2k

September 12th, 2007, 03:51 PM

how long after the cleanse do you need to wait until you can drink alcohol? theres no info about it anywhere

NancyS

September 13th, 2007, 01:33 AM

Follow this alcohol drink recipe: Mix 32 oz of purified H2O with 2 level teaspoons of noniodized salt and a shot of TEQUILA. . .LMAO! :D

alicein1land

September 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM

OK, I am on Day 1 of my Post-Cleanse. I ended my MC yesterday after enduring 4 days of misery that culminated in me throwing up at work! So delightful! :rolleyes: NOT!

I completed 12 days and lost 10 lbs. :) I plan to go vegetarian and eat as much raw as I can, but will allow some cooked veggies. Lots of good raw recipes, but at this time of year, I like a lot of winter squashes, yams and sweet potatoes, and I prefer them cooked. At any rate, eating veggies, whether raw or cooked, is far better than my SAD diet. :D

themama

September 13th, 2007, 08:32 PM

Alicein1land -- Congratulations. I know you've been feeling crummy. I am impressed you stuck it out. :D

I am finishing up my 3rd day post cleanse. I think I ate a bit more heartily at dinner tonight than I ought to have. Old habits die hard. But I am finding that things just taste different. More salty. some things are just off,somehow, and not that appealing. My sore throat has cleared up, thank heavens, so it must indeed have been detox. My tongue still has a little coating, but is mostly this dark pink almost purple color. That seems like a good thing.

I am going to go more veggie, but don't plan on going raw. We'll see what the future brings. 8)

Res

September 13th, 2007, 09:13 PM

pwillerton: Sorry I can't help. Spirulina makes me violently ill. However I just thought of something; you may want to try iHerb.com. I get a lot of things from them and so far so good. :)

Ann: Yikes! I feel for you. I'm not doing so hot myself today. Hang in there and takes things slowly. :)

themama: Even if you're not going all raw, you should check out the 30 Day challenge - thread. Just familiarize yourself with it. My son stopped his cleanse almost 2 weeks ago and has gone nuts (no pun intended) with all the raw food I've been making him. I didn't believe it either until I was educated by the amazing people in that thread. :)

Love,
~Res

onion

September 13th, 2007, 11:39 PM

Oh, I'm going to post this here. It's in the recipe box but it's worth repeating. This is so easy and I eat it all the time for breakfast:

1 Banana cut into bite sizes
1 stalk of celery cut into bite sizes
6 Dates chopped

Mix together. Eat. I take it to work with the celery and dates already chopped in separate bags. Then chop the banana at work and mix together. Hmm, Saturday morning.... ;)

Is 1 stalk of celery a rib or the entire thing? I can not remember when a recipe calls for 1 Cup of chopped nuts if you measure before or after chopping. If I sound confused... I am. Hope changing my diet helps.

mtmouse

September 14th, 2007, 12:35 AM

A stalk of celery is a rib.

Usually if a recipe says "1 cup chopped nuts" you measure after chopping.

If it says "1 cup nuts" and then tells you to chop them, you usually measure first.

However, if it's nuts you're talking about, or even celery in this recipe, it doesn't matter--you don't have to be exact, so you can pretty much put in however many (or few) you want, in any given recipe (within reason).

Enjoy!

Res

September 14th, 2007, 11:09 AM

And Onion, sprinkled a few tablespoons of chopped walnuts over the top. It's really good! :)

alicein1land

September 14th, 2007, 11:30 AM

Mmmm, this all sounds really good! I'll have to wait a few more days. And substitute pecans for the walnuts (I'm allergic to walnuts). :)

alicein1land

September 14th, 2007, 11:36 AM

themama: Thanks for the sympathy! I am feeling better today. Hope your post-cleanse is going well. Even if you don't plan on "going raw", check out some of the recipes in the lemonhead recipe box, as well as the 30 Day Raw Challenge thread! They look really good! :D You may find that you gradually go more raw as you find foods and recipes that you like. :D

Thanks, Res. I'll be back in January for another MC! :D Sorry you had a bad day yesterday, and hope you are doing better today. :)

ninab64

September 15th, 2007, 10:02 AM

on the topic of taste changing, i've noticed that my love for chocolate has changed. i usually have the dark, bitter chocolate, not milk chocolate, but i've noticed it has a waxy taste, even after trying different kinds. guess it's something i might move away from. i have bought the cocoa nibs (from iHerb) and like those, but it's not quite the same as when i enjoyed chocolate before

moonmythb

September 15th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Hi Res~

I believe I'm only going to make it 10 days on my first cleanse. I'm on Day 8, have been fatigued the entire time, still have major cravings, feel hungry pretty much all the time, and am growing increasingly tired of the taste of lemonade. Also seems I'm getting a yeast infection. Yuk! Is that normal? Anywho, here is my question. At the end of the last day of the cleanse, do I still drink the lax tea and then do the SWF before enjoying my first glass of OJ? Or do I just go from a last glass og LA at night to tasty OJ the next day? YOur expertise is appreciated!

Warmly,
moonmythb

Lin

September 15th, 2007, 07:01 PM

Hi moonmythb,

I'm not Res, but I can answer your question. You do not have to drink the lax tea on your last night of cleansing, nor do you have to do the SWF the first morning when you break your cleanse. Some people do it, but you don't have to. I just finished a 21 day cleanse and I'm on my 2nd day post cleanse. I didn't do the tea or the SWF before I broke my fast.
8)

mtmouse

September 15th, 2007, 07:03 PM

Moonmythb,

That one seems to be up to you. I do neither; I go straight from my last lemonade to the OJ. I want my body's normal elimination function to start back up as soon as possible.

Some people do the tea and not the SWF, some do both. So take your pick!

:)

Lin

September 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM

Well, I'm on Day 2 post cleanse and all is well. I drank grapefruit juice and a little watermelon juice and lots of water yesterday.

Today, I've been drinking grapefruit juice, lemonade, water and this afternoon I ate a little watermelon. I ate it very slowly. It tasted soooo good too! :D

I didn't particularly like the watermelon juice yesterday. It just doesn't taste as good as the whole fruit to me!

Tomorrow, I'm going to add a little more whole raw fruit. If that does well, I'll also try some veggie juice or a smoothie and gradually start eating whole raw veggies. That may take another day.

I don't plan on going raw at this time, but I wanted to break my cleanse this time differently. So I haven't made a veggie soup yet, like in all my other cleanses. I've been eating a plant based diet for the past 5 yrs. (McDougall Program) and plan to continue with it. I eat no meat or dairy. I don't usually call myself a vegan because I don't live that lifestyle and I do eat a small amount of honey on occasion.

My biggest problem, as I've stated somewhere on this board before is the amount of food that I eat. I have a really hard time controlling my portions.
I'm trying very hard to ease back into eating very slowly.

I started 2 jars of sprouts yesterday. I've got mung beans sprouting, and I bought some seeds that I've never tried before. It's called zesty sprouting mix. I love fresh sprouts. I can hardly wait for them to be ready to eat. :)

themama

September 16th, 2007, 12:59 PM

I finished up my cleanse on the 10th and did 3 days of easing back into eating. Am now on a full diet, but not raw. Yesterday and today, my tongue, which is pink and rosy, has felt tingly, as if I had slightly burned it with something that was a little too hot. Whe I looked at it in the mirror, I saw some tiny white dots, like little pinpriks. I wondered if this might not be a candida issue. I don't have any problems in what I think of as the usual place, just my tongue. Anyone ever have this problem?

Kram

September 18th, 2007, 09:00 PM

TheMama: are they all over your tongue? After my first MC, my taste buds (on the back of my tongue) were larger than usual and rubbed against my throat. (And I had never spent any time looking at them that much before, so I thought it was weird - turns out they look the same most of the time) It was pretty annoying for a few days, but went away on its own. Don't know if what you're seeing is similar.

BigI49

September 18th, 2007, 10:25 PM

Hey,
I have a question. I am about to come off of the 10 day cleanse and was reading, The Master Cleanser by Stanley Burroughs. The way I'm reading this, is that when you come off of the cleanse you may not eat dairy products. Is this true? Because I love my yogurt, soy milk and occasionally eat egg whites in the morning. If anyone knows any information about the do's and don’ts of dairy products after the cleanse please let me know. Thanks.

-Inez

smartcookie

September 19th, 2007, 02:05 AM

I finished MC2 less than a month ago. about one week ago, I started having stomach problems. I am often nauseous-but not enough that I feel like I am going to throw up, but enough to keep me up at night. I've never had this problem before. I can feel this way at different times of the day and it doesn't matter what I had to eat.

I didn't take probiotics after the first cleanse and had no problems. Is this a symptom from not taking them?

I would appreciate any help you can provide, otherwise I think I am going to have to go to the doctor. I'm hoping it's just my ignorance about probiotics!

As far as an update, I lost 12 pounds since I started the cleanse and have kept them off. I've been craving fruit and vegetables on a regular basis, which proves to me that the cleanse works. I feel great except for this stomach thing.

Thanks a bunch!

Kelli'sMom

September 19th, 2007, 11:27 PM

Yes, I did it! My first cleanse was 10 days plus 2 days of OJ. I am now committed to living a VEGAN lifestyle. I have a juicer, which I use daily. The thought of eating meat is disgusting! The Cleanse has got to be the best thing I've ever done for myself. On the eve of starting, I promised myself that if I completed my 10 days, I would treat my self to a $350 gift. Needless to say, the gift would have been frivolous as the Cleanse itself was a gift to me. Instead, I had a massage on my 10th day. It was awesome.
:)
I love me and I love the Cleanse.

Lin

September 20th, 2007, 08:37 AM

Way to go Kelli'sMom!!! :D :D :D
You definately have the right attitude about this cleanse.

By the way, I'm a Kelli's mom too!! :D My Kelli is now a 20 yo college student, but she still lives at home and commutes to school.

I'm now on day 7 post cleanse of a 21 day cleanse. I'm fully back on my plant based McDougall Program (www.drmcdougall.com) and am feeling very well.
I lost a total of 14 lbs. during the 21 days, and since I ended the cleanse I've gained about 2 lbs. which I think is just the amount of food now back in my digestive tract. I'm still eating mostly raw foods during the first part of the day and I add in a few cooked veggies/foods later in the day such as brown rice with mixed veggies. So far, so good!! 8)

Res

September 20th, 2007, 10:43 AM

Inez: It's really up to you. You'll find your own, "right & wrong". Its what works for you. We're all different. I really loved going all raw, but I had stomach issues that didn't go away after 3 months. It should've resolved after 1 month. As soon as I ate a small amount of cooked food, the problem went away. So - just find what works for you. You'll know by the way you feel. Go for everything Organic. :)

smartcookie: Again, everyone is different and every cleanse is different. I'm never the same after I complete a cleanse and I attribute it to allergies (I could be wrong). After eliminating all food from my diet, and then adding food back in when breaking the cleanse, I won't really know if I have a food allergy or not unless I add food back like we did with our babies - one new food at a time. Who can do that? :)

Kelli'sMom: Congratulations! :D

Love,
~Res

Res

September 20th, 2007, 10:47 AM

Lin: How is it being back on the foodie side? ;) One more day to go for me and I'm done. I'm exited about the next phase of the journey. I'll be chatting it up in here! :)

Do you have any recipes to share?

Ani Phyo talks a lot about miso - and I just read about a man in China (or was it Japan?) who is 112 years old. For breakfast he eats miso soup with seaweed and rice. He plans on living forever he said. :)

Love,
~Res

Bogi

September 20th, 2007, 04:00 PM

Hey All,

I'm probably at the wrong thread, sorry about it. I hope someone will able to give me a credible answer.
My question would be about almond flour. The one i can foind in stores is made out blanched almond. To blanche the almond - as far as I know- they pour boiling water on it and let it sit in for one minute to make the skin soften.
Well, that doesn't really sound raw to me anymore. Or is it?
Is there any simple way to make almond flour at home?

Res

September 20th, 2007, 05:24 PM

Well, blanching is what's done in boiling water - water boils at 100 degrees. We don't heat our dehydrated food past 115 - so that's a good question! :) I suppose if you popped them in the water and then took them out quickly it would be OK. That's my quess. :)

Res

September 20th, 2007, 05:25 PM

Yikes! Maybe not!

Blanching is the scalding of vegetables in boiling water or steam. Blanching slows or stops the action of enzymes. Up until harvest time, enzymes cause vegetables to grow and mature. If vegetables are not blanched, or blanching is not long enough, the enzymes continue to be active during frozen storage causing off-colors, off-flavors and toughening.

mtmouse

September 20th, 2007, 05:59 PM

Actually, water boils at 100C, but 212F. We dehydrate no more than 105F.

So for rawbies, blanching's not so great.

Res

September 20th, 2007, 10:06 PM

I rechecked my source on water boiling and I was on a UK site. :) lol

meddy

September 20th, 2007, 10:55 PM

I Finished My 21 Day (woohoo) Mc Two Days Ago....i Made My Soup And Sipped My Oj Yesterday....but Last Night I Was Hun-ger-y So I Sipped My Soup And Then Mashed Up Some Of The Veggies And Ate Them In The Soup....i Was Just Loving The Taste....it Felt Fine Going Down And It Stayed Down...then Today I Ate The Veggies Whole And Im Still Feeling Ok....what Is Going To Happen To Me? I Kept Thinking I Would Stop If I Didnt Feel Well, But I Kept Feeling Good.....i Havent Pooped, Yet Tho And Now Im Burping Alot....what Is Going To Happen To Me???? Help!
Other Than All That, I Feel And Look So Healthy And Have Lost 20 Lbs And Lots Of Inches...
Im So Excited About Living Healthier...i Want To Go Raw Vegan After My Soup Is Gone....

meddy

September 20th, 2007, 10:56 PM

Res!! It Is So Good To See You Here....you Have No Idea How Much You Helped Me Get Thru The Cleanse....love You!
Meddy

cd2318

September 21st, 2007, 07:54 AM

[I'm now on day 7 post cleanse of a 21 day cleanse. I'm fully back on my plant based McDougall Program (www.drmcdougall.com) and am feeling very well.

Congratulations, Lin!I just got home from a wedding/family reunion in Texas, so I missed the end of your cleanse. I was watching you, as 21 days seems so long compared to 10!

I'm gearing up for my next cleanse right after Thanksgiving. I have never had issues with Christmas event eating, so that will not be a problem. I can go to a Christmas party and just drink something and not eat one bite! Don't know why, just can!

Anyway, wanted to share with the group that I had finished my first MC for 10 days, lost 11 pounds, and got food re-introduced back into my diet before going to Texas. The funny thing that I noticed is that I don't seem to be able to eat much at one time.

We went to the County Line Barbeque the first night (in Austin) and I ate 2 ribs, 2 bites of beans, and 1/4 of a roll, and I was full! And that is continues to happen, which I think is a GREAT thing! :D

Res

September 21st, 2007, 10:20 AM

Meddy: I'm *almost* here. ;) Good to see you here!

Burping means too much food too soon. Cut back and try drinking juices and just soup broth for a day. Be sure to take Probiotics. They work wonders on helping you transition back to food. BM's can take a few days so be patient and drink a lot of water. *hug* :)

cd2318: Nice to see you! :)

Love,
~Res

Day 30 today and I'm done. ;)

cd2318

September 21st, 2007, 02:01 PM

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Day 30 today and I'm done. ;)

WOW Res! 30 days??? I sure hope you go and do something really fun for yourself like get a massage or body wrap or something like that! Congratulations!!!! :p :p :p :p :p

JACK STRAW

September 21st, 2007, 02:47 PM

YAHOOOOOO!!!
I did it! Im done, I finished my first cleanse. Im on day one of my post cleanse. This morning I had some orange juice, then this afternoon I ate some vegetable soup( just the broth) and a couple pieces of celery..lol.lol.
I lost a total of 20 lbs and Im hoping to keep it off. Im havent had any coffee yet. Maybe tomorrow. I feel great and am looking foward to my next cleanse. I hope all that are doing this cleanse have the same great expirience that I have. I am going to try and be conscous of what goes into my body. I think the whole vegan lifestyle is great, I dont think it is for me though. I dont crave meat, but I like the way it tastes when I cook it, so I will make my purchases from and organic meat market from now on and try and eat it only once a week. Thats a start. I will check in from time to time, I wish everyone the best and GODSPEED!...Matty

Cristy

September 21st, 2007, 06:29 PM

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There's a great variety of totally natural food products and they are perfect for kids too!

Lin

September 21st, 2007, 08:17 PM

Hey cd2318,
It's good to hear from you again. It sounds like you had a fun trip. I'll probably not do another cleanse until at least late Dec. or early Jan. if then.
I don't have a problem at Thanksgiving or Christmas because when my family gets together, we always have both meat and veggie dishes so that everyone can enjoy their meal. It's way too soon for me to think about another cleanse right now!!! I'm enjoying eating again and don't want to think about lax tea and SWF's again yet!!!! :eek:

Lin

September 21st, 2007, 08:34 PM

It's weird,.... most people break their cleanses and start getting concerned about no BM's after a few days. This time, I had my 1st one on day 3 post cleanse and have been going a few times each day since. I think it might be because I broke my fast doing all raw food. I drank juice for 2 days and then just started eating the fruit whole and then added raw veggies. I also drank lots of water. I didn't eat any cooked food until the end of day 4 and it was just a little.
I've been starting each day with raw fruit/veggie smoothies (lots of green veggies). Believe me, they will send you to the BR.!! I've been making the smoothies in my Vita-Mix and they are very filling. It takes me a good part of the morning to drink my entire concoction!! :D That's good, because it keeps me satisfied and keeps my mind off of wanting to eat things I don't need!!
I've been drinking a glass full for breakfast and then after it has had time to settle, I do my daily exercise. Then I shower and dress and I just sip on the rest of my smoothie until it's gone.
Lunch for this week has mostly been tossed salad with a few beans or nuts thrown in it. I also sprouted mung beans and a zesty seed mixture and have been enjoying the sprouts. I put some of them in my smoothies too!
My dinners have been the time when I've added more cooked foods in, mostly cooked veggies so far. Last night I had a fresh veggie stir-fry, Thai style, and a little brown rice. It was very good, but the rice actually made me feel too full. I haven't tried any cooked potato yet, but might this weekend.

Because of previous illnesses and health concerns, I don't eat any animal products at all, including dairy which I'm allergic to anyway, and no processed oils. This is the McDougall Program, and by eating this way for the past 5 yrs, I've been able to eliminate about 4/5 prescription meds that I used to take for various illnesses, each of which I no longer have. I cured my illnesses with diet, which is the way it should be done. The only prescription med that I keep around now is one I use if my occasional hive break-outs get out of control.

I started back on my probiotic the 4th day post cleanse. That was when I really started whole food again. Sometimes starting the probiotic too soon, can make you feel ill or at least it does me. I take probiotics most of the time because I have a lot of food allergies and I feel better and feel like my body digests my food much better when I take them.

Res, congrats on finishing your cleanse!!! :D I hope you know how much your presence here helps us and I for one, greatly appreciate you. ((((((Hugs))))))

Res

September 21st, 2007, 08:52 PM

cd2318: A massage sounds lovely. I think I'll book one for next week. ;) It's great to see you here. :D

Matty! CONGRATULATIONS! http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/happy110.gif I knew you could do it! :D

Just eat the way that makes sense to you and works for you. More greens and fruits and go for everything "Organic". I'm a meat eater so I'm going to do basically the same thing you are. Just a bit of grass fed free range whatever but not everyday. YOU ROCK! :)

Cristy: Thanks for the link. Aniphyo.com has some nifty Smartmonkey bars. I'm waiting for my order. :D

I'm enjoying eating again and don't want to think about lax tea and SWF's again yet!!!! Holy crap yes! :eek:

Lin: I'm not going to eat anything cooked either to break my cleanse. It's juice and miso broth that Ani Phyo talked about. I picked up the miso today. :)

I'd like to get off this thyroid medicine. I'm beginning to think my diagnosis is a bunch of crap OR the cleanse and food lifestyle changes I've made over the last few years have cleared things up. I've gone from a 60mg tab to 15mg tab. The endocrinologist got mad when I tried to talk to her about it and she dismissed me. lol

Thank you for your kind words. This board draws the most amazing people and you're one of them! :)

Love,
~Res

Lin

September 21st, 2007, 09:30 PM

Res, would you mind sharing your recipe for miso soup?

Terrys

September 21st, 2007, 10:46 PM

I finished day 10 yesterday and squeezed grapefruit juice mixed with fresh oj 3x today. Tonight I had 3 bowls of lettuce, yum with a little bit of avocado and a little bit of favorite dressing (vegan). I feel good. I did have a bout of the runs this morning right before work leaving me worried about having to zoom out of the classroom but I did not have any more at all.

Res

September 21st, 2007, 11:01 PM

Lin: I'm kind of winging it really. Ani talked about miso soup and buying the non pasturized organic brown kind. I did that today. But before that, I read about a Japanese man who turned 112 this week. He said he eats miso soup with seaweed (he called it waka- something) every day with a little rice, so - what I'm going to do is just put a large tablespoon (I think) in warm spring water with the seaweed (after I find it at Whole Foods) and if I can't find the seaweed I'll use raw nori. Then let it sit and soften. Then eat it. :D

Thats not until Sunday though. Ani has a few soups that probably wouldn't be good for me at the moment because they include a cup of olive oil (recipe is for 4 people) mixed with 3 to 5 cups of water and then some raw veggies. I'm easing back into food so it will be a while before I can say how it tasted. BUT I'll BE GLAD TO TELL YOU! :D

Terrys: That's a pretty quick transition to solid food! Glad you didn't get sick. :)

Love,
~Res