Smoking pot

[grrrl]

Hi everyone,
Hope that this topic won't offend anyone or get me kicked off this board; where I live it's completely legal.
I've done the cleanse 4 times now, and find pot helps with a medical condition that I have. I was wondering if anybody has tried smoking pot while on the cleanse, AND/OR if anybody might know what kind of detrimental effects it may have on the cleansing process.
Again, I'm not a pothead, or a druggie - I'm a relatively healthy person who does this cleanse for both weight-loss and health reasons....but was wondering ......????
grrrl

[Res]

Hi Grrrl:

Actually I'm not certain but here's my take on it. The body would interpret the Pot as a drug and try to detox it so really you'd be working against yourself.

In the case where someone must be on medication for high blood pressure, or diabetes etc, the word here is "consult with your doctor before stopping any medication". So since you don't "need" the pot why bother during the cleanse? :)

Anyone else?

~Res

Addendum: I just re-read what you posted so sorry for that "since you don't need it" comment. You did mention that you had a medical condition that you're using it for, so I suppose the decision is yours. I still believe that the body would treat it as a drug or something foreign or toxic to the body and try to eliminate it. You might want to "google" it to see if anything turns up. :)

[mycroftxxx]

I just dont understand how you are going to stave off the munchie attack after you blaze up. lol.

I mean I have to really cut back on my drug of choice, Television, just because all those pizza hut and burger king commercials seem 300 times more appealing. Also what the heck are you going to do about the 'drymouth' potsmokers usually get, your tongue is already covered in crap and slimy from the MC having drymouth would kill my ability to keep going with the MC.

but then again pot affects people in different ways, you know your body and you know how things will affect you.
If you are looking for advise from this ex-smoker then I would say no, just because it will be tough to deal with the after effects and might cause you to quit your cleanse.

Buenas suerte chica!

[ItsMyLife]

You're not even supposed to take prescription meds or supplements on the MC, so pot being another kind of drug would fall into the same catagory.

[StEdwin]

I wasn't going to write anything when I saw this topic, but what the hey? Why not be honest?

I've on day 11 of the MC and have been following it as recommended, except for attending a party on my 6th day where pot was available and smoking some. Actually, smoking quite a bit.

I wouldn't recommend anyone else do it, but my body LOVED the experience. Let me explain. One of the things this cleanse is doing for me is that I can "feel" MUCH more than I have been able to before. Maybe my feeling sense is the same, but the clarity of the channels of feeling seem to clear up more and more for me each day. Like the more crap I poop out, the clearer I can feel. The pot opened up my feeling even more.

The next morning I was somewhat groggy, so, yes, probably that added some more toxins to be flushed (salt-watered?) out of me. So, that's why I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. But, for me it was well worth it.

As for the munchies, I haven't had any cravings for food since starting the cleanse. But I think there is a reason for this. I have gone out to dinner with friends 5 or 6 times during this cleanse, to fantastic restaurants. What I do is smell as much of their food as possible. The smelling fills me up. It is just as satisfying as eating. That and feeling them enjoy their food.

I can feel their own food/tasting delight and that in turn feeds me. At least that's what it feels like. I don't need the physical food in my mouth and digestive system to appreciate it. In fact, having that food in my digestive tract would block the opening clearer channels of feeling that this cleanse seems to be enhancing. Why would I want to spoil that?

Instead, I can have my deep inhalations of wonderful food fragrances and "eat" my feeling-sense of others' tasting delights too.

I know this may be a mite unconventional on this board: both the positive pot smoking experience and the way I sustain my connection to food without any desire to eat, but I thought perhaps some others might be experiencing the same thing.

[innerpilot]

I also have the experience of opening the channels when I cleanse. Last time, I could even feel my ears opening more, maybe wax was melting away. But it starts on my very first day and continues to build. I used to smoke lots of pot years ago but that along with alcohol actually started to cause blocks after awhile, and I got clearer channels as I got clear of all the stuff, pot and alcohol both. Pot when smoked is carcinogenic. The body has a very hard time getting rid of the residues. When I first started cleansing, in early seventies, I was also coordinator of a meditation center. People would tell me that even after fasting for six months (180 days) on mountains where the air was clear, they still had tar emissions as a result of smoking lots of reefer and other things prior to their fasts.
I guess I am somewhat of a purist. This site is for themastercleanse. Pot is not part of it. But for those of you who are experimenting, you might want to try making tea from it. It's still powerful, channel opening (although you don't need pot to do that), but it is less carcinogenic that way. Just remember, you are not doing the mastercleanse though, even if you are using all the other parts of the mastercleanse formula. Call it something else. Maryjanemistresscleanse?

[fancy1]

I like that innerpilot.... Nice name....

I too would think that you would not want to jeopardize the cleanse in any way... If you are doing the MC.. then do it... don't try and change what already works so well....

[StEdwin]

I grok the purist stance, but--again--I can't help but be honest and say that it feels a bit overly rigid and dogmatic to me. I don't know the history of how Mr. Burroughs developed the MC, but I would assume it took a lot of experimentation on his part until he hit upon what worked. In this bulletin board I have seen further experimentation and modification (the use of other juices than orange to break the cleanse, molasses instead of maple syrup for diabetics, etc.) and feel myself that it makes sense to find what works for different bodies at different times.

Looking at the MC as some sacred cow that can be "jeopardized" doesn't seem very aligned with the health, vibrancy and openness that the cleanse was designed to promote. Why NOT find out what works best in each individual case, even if it varies somewhat from the basic MC?

That being said, yes this is a MC bulletin board, so the MC should be the blueprint here, and my use of pot did perturb my MC into something more along the lines of a MJmistressCleanse.

[mycroftxxx]

I grok the purist stance

;D;D Finally another person who Groks things the way I Grok them too!! ;)

I can't help but be honest and say that it feels a bit overly rigid and dogmatic to me

Hey Res, doesn't that quote sound familiar? :)

Its really too bad the old threads get deleted from these forums cuz when I first came to these forums I started a lovely flame war with a few purists because of the rigid DOGMATIC beliefs... ahh good times good times ;D lol I even started calling them cultists
*forms hand into a Z* ZOLTAN!!! :Rofl:

The way I grok the objectives of the cleanse,

1 - empty out the system
2 - purge body of mucoid plaque
3 - reset the body and get it in a healthy mode
4 - harmonise mind and body, develop the ability to control the body's urges
5 - free youself from the shackles of the mindset of eating 3 square meals a day. eat when you need to eat.

Soooo... Basically as long as you aren't digesting solids you are doing what you need to.

Ahh well, time to duck behind some cover again ::)

[OffBase]

Its really too bad the old threads get deleted from these forums cuz when I first came to these forums I started a lovely flame war with a few purists because of the rigid DOGMATIC beliefs... ahh good times good times lol I even started calling them cultists


The threads may have expired, but I haven't forgotten.

Yeah, I know, I should be so very ashamed of how I stick to, you know, Burroughs' book as written. I mean, those are just guidelines in there, right? All those innovative additions like P&B, marijuana, colonics, acidophilus, caffeine, and the occasional ham sandwich make the Master Cleanser just so much better and more interesting.

[mycroftxxx]

;D yaay! its Offbase! ItsMyLife has already chimed into this thread, all we need is BoxerLover and the old gang will be reunited once again!!! ;D

oh happy day!

*forms hands into a Z* Zoltan!!!

really, we are all here for different reasons. Some want weight loss, some want to cleanse the system, some want to 'Grok' a bit of spirituality. *

Even in our last 'go round' months ago I always encouraged people to at least give the full out Master Cleanse a try. I believe the Master Cleanse and its many off shoots such as the MaryJaneMistressChronicCoffeeHamsandwichSuperDuper Master Cleanse are not a 'one time' deal. I 'Grok' if you have a good experience on your first cleanse you will want to 'Grok' the cleanse many more times, again and again.

My main concern with the Dogmatic belief system is that it seems to be making an exclusive club here. "you're not doing a Master Cleanse, do it or get out" (to paraphrase a bit liberally but you 'grok' my point.) I, however, encourage sharing and learning from these different experiences.
I am saddened to see that GucciGirl has left these forums after we all chastised her for taking antibiotics when she had some medical difficulties during her cleansing. I'd much rather foster an encouraging open and fun community rather than one that gripes and chastises and chases people off for having opposing viewpoints.
The MasterCleanse is a great experience to go through. I dont believe people are doing wrong when they want to try new things with it.

;D Do you all Grok what I'm saying? ;D

[Res]

*HAHAHAGROKHAHAHAHA*

I'm trying to get to bed here people but this board keeps SUCKING me back in!!!

Someone said something interesting either this cleanse or last cleanse. It had to do with if Burroughs was here now, would he make any changes if he saw an advantage to it (not pot smoking folks :P) and I think the answer would have been a resounding "Yes". However, he's not here. Soph would be a good one to answer this because don't Scientists and Doctors etc make changes to a program or routine if they find a better way? I'm sure that's a yes as well. So, I'm not advocating changing the cleanse and trying to feed that to people, but if something works slightly different for me, I'm going to do it without adverstising it on the board. Why else would some people use "Maple" and others "Molasses or cane juice"? Because of differences, whatever they may be. I think Burroughs would let me eat a big juicy cheeseburger...oh Wait, wait it's another one of my bad dreams. ;)

This Time I'm REALLY GOING TO BED!!

*Smooches* ;)

~Res

[innerpilot]

I understand your desire for a greater freedom to experiment and I certainly delight in diversity as anyone, but why don't you seriously create another cleanse? write another book? you might get lots of people interested. If I went to buy the latest CD of Live and found out that there were only a few Live songs, plus a little of Fifty Cent thrown in, *I probably wouldn't buy it. I would want the full Live CD. I came to the mastercleanse because I want the full cleanse. I think it might be a good idea to have a bulletin board for fasts and cleanses in general, all different types, so people can share their experiments. But for those who are coming here for themastercleanse, some with life threatening illnesses, and not just looking for a way to rationalize their habits, I think we owe it to them to stay on the program. If you think the program should and could be improved, then start a new and improved program. Give it a new name, start a new site, write a new book, go for it, all the way. No one is trying to start any type of exclusive club here. That's a cheap shot, and sort of like name calling. A lot of us here are very dedicated healers simply trying to assist others as well as ourselves with themastercleanse. Burroughs started his work in the 1920's and worked with it 40 years before this publication. I have spent 36 years fasting and cleansing, many different ways. My first teacher was Ann Wigmore when she had the Hippocrates Health Institute on Exeter St. in Boston. There are probably better cleanses for certain people at certain stages of their bio-chemical evolution, including stages of dis-ease and wellness. But the body's full detox process doesn't kick in until there is the cessation of toxic input. That's why this is a master cleanse. The full detox process kicks in. One cannot do marijuanna and themastercleanse. That's an oxymoron. Marijuana inhibits the body's ability to kick in the full detox process. The THC plus a list of other residues stay in the organs and blood for some time, that's why they can do urine tests. The mastercleanse is fast. Very fast and very powerful.If you want to use marijuana you certainly are free to do so, but that is a partial cleanse, not a master cleanse. My use of "purist" here has nothing to do with judging anyone right or wrong, good or bad, it is simply to assist those who want to do a mastercleanse, stay on the program, as opposed to doing a partial cleanse.

[StEdwin]

Well oh well oh well. Didn't think my postings would cause such a flush of activity here. But they all feel good to me.

For what it's worth, I appreciate the purist view, mostly. I am glad there are those here who uphold the MC as it is. Though I did "violate" the quintessential MC with my ganja imbibing evening, I just completed 14 days of whatever the heck you want to call my cleanse (MC-minus-one-night-of-reefer use?) and am enjoying a glass of watered-down OJ right now. I feel great.

And, while innerpilot is facually correct in saying "One cannot do marijuanna and themastercleanse....If you want to use marijuana you certainly are free to do so, but that is a partial cleanse, not a master cleanse..." the topics of various partial cleanses as well as potential modifications of the MC seem to me to be valid discussions on this board.

It's possible that the MC can be improved. Not by marijuana (that's not what I'm debating) but by experimentation by those who have done the "purist" MC and then try different things, comparing and verifying results.

I'm not sure, but the purists here seem a tad dogmatically opposed to such openness of investigation. Maybe that's good. Maybe there should be purists to balance out the free-thinking experimenters, to keep each other in check.

But I'm an experimenter at heart, and will continue to forge ahead with cleanses, hoping to learn more about them.

By the way, since starting my almost-MC, 6 of my friends are doing the MC (none of them smoking any pot)...

[Res]

Haha Edwin: Humor, gotta love the heck out of it. ;D

Glad you made it 14 days and you have "followers" too!!

All the best to you! :)

~Res

[queensharon]

stedwin and mycroftxxx, loved your posts and totally agree :D Nice to see some who are maybe a bit more open-minded about the cleanse and life, etc. Now I'll duck for cover too haha Love ya'll! :D

[innerpilot]

I experiment alot with the Lemonade Drink when I'm not doing the cleanse. I make sure to say I'm not doing themastercleanse. There's a lot to learn from experimentation. For those of you who enjoy doing that and want to post, why don't you write to the owner/moderator of this bulletin board, Peter Glickman, Peter@TheRawFoodSite.Com and ask him if its o.k. to start a topic such as Experiments with the Lemonade Drink, or Variations on The Master Cleanse etc. etc. Some of it may already be addressed with the first topic already posted on the list. Enjoy!

[Res]

Instead of creating a thread about it, I think it's best to "goof off" in private email because most likely it could wreak havoc on the board.

If someone wants to go that route, organize an email thread by PM's the rest of us and we'll provide email addresses outside of the board. :)

LOL

[Angie513]

So, has anyone done the MC, smoked pot and still got that clean, pink tounge? I'm interested to see.....

[mycroftxxx]

;D

hmmm sounds like a question worth investigation! lol

ahem* for purely scientific reasons you know ;D

.... perhaps experiment on lab rats first.


....... the only problem is rolling joints small enough for the rats to smoke em.... ;D

[Res]

The more I thought about that last line, the funnier it got. ;D

[StEdwin]

I actually did have a pink tongue on my 14th day. That's one reason I stopped my (whatever you want to call it) cleanse.

[StEdwin]

There's a lot to learn from experimentation. For those of you who enjoy doing that and want to post, why don't you write to the owner/moderator of this bulletin board, Peter Glickman, Peter@TheRawFoodSite.Com and ask him if its o.k. to start a topic such as Experiments with the Lemonade Drink, or Variations on The Master Cleanse etc. etc.

Sounds like a plan. There could also perhaps be topics such as "Underlying Assumptions of the Master Cleanse" and "Continued Evolution/Development of the Master Cleanse" and "The Master Cleanse and the Dissolution of Rigid Core Beliefs".

[haelee]

just wanted to thank you all for the varying perspectives on this topic...i'd JUST been thinking about it and wondering if there was anything about pot on the board, then found this thread.

[Wanbli]

during my 10 day cleanse I did indeed smoke pot a few times

What it did for me was to regain control of my cravings after I smoke.

After the cleanse I now easily avoid the munchies :)

[kristy]

wow. I just started the MC 3 days ago, I started off eating very little organic foods, like brown rice and some organic fruits, with alot of water, just so I could get used to not eating. I am getting extremely annoyed and aggrivated at little things, people talk to me while Im thinking, and Im so mad at them, I feel like it is because I am extremely hungry, and its making me bored, and Im biting my nails, and fingers. I feel like I have alot more to deal with then I thought. I didnt want to go crazy and cleanse for weeks, must maybe 1 week, Ive never done it, so I am trying it out. I also smoke marijuana, everyday, and have for years and years now.

I dont want to stop even while doing the cleanse, and I think that the bottom line is that I need to learn to not worry about being bored. Being bored is driving me insane, not eating, not drinking coffee and random coca cola cans.

as you can tell Im writing this and Im all over the place, thats how I feel, I feel really weird.

I dont know what to do, maybe I should just deal with it, and let it pass, and it should all pass, and then I can kick the habbit of being uncomfortable while being bored. Anyway, I dont want to quit smoking marijuana, I love it, why would I quit, and I dont think its doing anything THAT bad to me. Either way, I think the part that bothers me is that I dont want to stop, and I dont want to stop myself ect. I have no idea, Im only 22, maybe thats the problem, maybe I should just go to bed until the week is over.

lol, I suck.

[mayablue]

Seriously... I didn't even know this thread was here... How funny:D

Here's my take on it. Technically, to have a good cleanse, you are supposed to quit smoking cigarettes or you will feel like crap. So I think that smoking pot would be along the same lines. You're trying to get all of that crap out of your system, not putting it back in. I went back and read this entire thread and some of it does make some sense. If you need the pot for medical reasons - make a tea out of it - brew it with some peppermint or something. But you probably shouldn't smoke it. Again, this is a personal decision for each person to make on their own.

Did anyone else see the episode of LA Ink from last season where Kat Von D tried the master cleanse with a friend, but didn't have all of the correct instructions, probably wasn't doing a swf or tea, and didn't seem to be drinking any water - she also didn't quit smoking. She felt like crap from all of the toxic build up and quit after the second day (I'm surprised that she lasted that long).

Anyway - personally, I smoke pot - but not on the MC. I really don't think that I could handle the munchies, or what it would do to my system. After my first MC I smoked pot 4 days after breaking my fast (a really small amount - at that), let me tell you - I was so glad that I waited:p I don't think that I have ever been that stoned in my entire life:eek:

[OmGoddess]

I am glad someone asked this question, as it was interesting to see everyone's reply.

I've actually been considering smoking, myself. This is my first cleanse, so I've been wary of steering off the beaten path. But normally, I find that when I smoke marijuana, I feel extremely in tune with my body. I can feel the parts of my body that need attention and care, stretching, massage, and so forth. I like to practice yoga after smoking because I feel like I have the ability to detach my mind from my physical body and observe my practice.

Also, when I am "attacked" by the munchies, I feel drawn to light and healthy foods such as fresh produce, hot grains like rice, quinoa, and barley, and I love a hot cup of herbal tea. I very rarely, if EVER, find myself craving junk food. I believe leading a healthy lifestyle, eating a mostly vegan diet, and getting a lot of exercise has a profoundly positive impact on your mind and therefore one's reaction to a marijuana high.

I believe a healthy person should have little or no problem getting high while participating in the Master Cleanse. As long as you're not ingesting anything into the digestive system, I don't believe you'd interfere with the benefits of the cleanse.

Of course, there are some toxins being taken into the body while puffing on a joint. The groggy after-effect of smoking might be intensified, seeing as your body is already working hard to rid itself of other toxins. Also, I think it would be a good idea to take it easy, as your body and mind might be more receptive to chemicals and therefore you may get much higher, much faster. But as long as you're not smoking morning noon and night, I feel like getting high could actually be mentally beneficial during a cleanse. And hey, if you feel tired and hungry when you're coming down, try practicing some yoga and having a cup of mint tea. You might be surprised how good you feel! :)

(I'll post again after I've experienced it for myself. Please respond if you have! I'm very interested in knowing how others feel about this.)

Namaste!!
-OmGoddess

[boneyardpixie]

OmGoddess

I couldn't have put it better myself. I don't smoke everyday on the MC, but I do enjoy smoking, while fasting. I have studied many religions (my major was Religious/Feminist Studies) and read a lot about fasting. For myself, I find that smoking helps achieve a better in-tune-ment with my body. My meditation is better, as is my psychic abilities. I find that my intuition is racing and roaming. Each time I fast my intuition becomes clearer, even after the cleanse. Yes, I do get cotton mouth, but I just drink more water. As for the munchies? I drink more lemonade and it curbs my feelings.

There have been many spiritual healers that have used maryjane to channel their energies. They are my guides and mentors.

[syntaxiss]

I smoked from 1976 until 2007 and smoked during most of my previous fasts, today on day 11 of the current smokeless fast, I feel almost radioactive, I feel better than ever! So, i must offer this: Think of it like this. Take some leaves, light them on fire and breath in the smoke. Does that sound like it could be good for you? Breathing in carbon? As much as I love to smoke my entire life, I finally choose to try life with it, and I am feeling better than I ever did.

[Kind Herb]

I took a break starting out, and I am glad. The first few days of the cleanse were by far the hardest, and there would be no way I would complete it after a serious attack of the munchies.

However on day 5 I went back to my normal habits, and haven't had any problems since. In fact it has had the opposite effect now that I am past the hump, and it helps me control my cravings. I ended up only drinking 3 glasses on day 6, and 4 glasses on day 7. Back to 6 glasses a day, but they were great days.

I am currently on day 9, and have would not have made it this far had I not both taken a break, and resumed burning.

Every person is different, and you will need to listen and pay attention to your body. It should be obvious from the start whether it will be an aid or a hindrance.

Good luck!

[iheartpeace]

The thing that confuses me about this battle over purity in the MC is whether or not you do have to quit all medication (marijuana, prescription, etc). I understand that Burroughs said to stop all medication possible, but I was just in a topic where women were discussing that they had no problem continuing their birth control while on the MC. I think there are certain medications that one would be worse off to stop while cleansing, though I don't think pot is one of them. But if you have life-impacting pain, I would certainly advise continuing your use (my brother has a nerve problem that causes unbearable pain, and he smokes almost constantly). The question is really about what is necessary for the individual.

[kellyd]

Ah Marijuana... it depends on the symptoms you have, marijuana has different effects on everybody, some positive some negative to the cleanse, when I used to smoke, it would actually make me eliminate! which i feel is definitely a plus to cleansing... it increases adrenal function- so it makes your kidneys work really well, which i feel would also aid in the detox, however like toxins thc is fat soluble- and as far as the other medications are concerned, i would think the synthetic nasty that is in a lot of them or hormonal supplements in birth control are far more toxic than your "local outdoor organic" :) so take what you will with the random information- i feel a little high talking about it which makes me happy and day 3 end much more pleasantly :)

[Bogi]

KellyD,

Great to see you in this thread. Or actually, thank you for posting last night, otherwise I wouldn't even noticed that there's a thread about pot. :)

It was interesting reading the entire thread of different opinions. I'm a regular pot smoker. And I love how connected I feel with my "inner self" while I'm high. Although during the cleanse it hasn't accord to me to smoke any, I'm cleansing my body after all and smoke isn't really pure, I probably will smoke on the very last day just to experiment if that connection could be even clearer and higher since the fast already puts me in a more spiritual mental state.

I personally wouldn't recommend pot smoking during the cleanse ( unless it's neccessary due to health issues). But we are all here for a different reason. For some of us fasting is more about mental, then physical health, a sacred time, and if any one wish to enjoy a joint, they should be free to do so without being judged or questioning their rights to post about their experience.

[Ollephant]

Wow I was glad to find this post. It is something I have been curious about.
I have done 2 MC's in the past and did not smoke during either of them - I enjoy smoking and where I live I can enjoy it legally for now - but when I do this cleanse I personally make the decision to purge all the toxins from my body. I mean I enjoy a little smoke and a glass of wine - but I can't drink wine on this - so I tend to think of pot in the same way.

Also - I forget who mentioned - waiting and not smoking until the end - ahhh so very nice. Like when you don't drink for a long time and one glass of wine puts you in the total happy relaxed and tipsy place as opposed to 2 or more! It's great to become a light weight again! Good stuff.

Although I am curious what other people who do smoke on the cleanse experience - the clarity we get on the cleanse mixed in with the mind altering atributes of the MJ - I am sure it isn't for everyone - but it sounds as though some have had a great experience with it.

Ok - starting to get a headache - more lemonade time